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    1. Member Maximum_Download's Avatar
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      01-23-2019 01:10 PM #126
      Quote Originally Posted by rich! View Post
      at least optioned up way cheaper than new cayenne ehybrid (+looks way better, more torqueeesss)
      It's got a major pricing advantage over most of it's competition. I am sitting around $75,000 for a 2 row 6 cylinder X5 Msport, and about $80,000 for a loaded Audi Q7 Prestige (which opens up package availability like dynamic suspension).

      I am at $84,000 for a totally loaded Grand Touring Hybrid Aviator, and it has more room in the back and a nicer interior than either of the cars above, along with plug in capability. While that is more than the other cars, I am chalking that up to the plug in hybrid option.

      I am also counting on better lease support and incentivising as well, making this a better lease than a Q7 or an X5.

      So far, it's quite promising.
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      01-24-2019 06:16 PM #127
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      It's got a major pricing advantage over most of it's competition. I am sitting around $75,000 for a 2 row 6 cylinder X5 Msport, and about $80,000 for a loaded Audi Q7 Prestige (which opens up package availability like dynamic suspension).

      I am at $84,000 for a totally loaded Grand Touring Hybrid Aviator, and it has more room in the back and a nicer interior than either of the cars above, along with plug in capability. While that is more than the other cars, I am chalking that up to the plug in hybrid option.

      I am also counting on better lease support and incentivising as well, making this a better lease than a Q7 or an X5.

      So far, it's quite promising.
      I think its just a bit steep. Was hoping it would be closer to 75k in grand touring hybrid black label form.

      I really think that I'll probably get one of these. They kind of tick every box for me - capable, luxurious, fresh.

      I don't know which powertrain I'll get. Is the hybrid worth 10k plus? Does Ford/Lincoln have hybrid tax credits left?

      Its interesting that the Aviator goes from 51k to 91k but the Navigator only goes from 75k to 104k
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      01-24-2019 06:37 PM #128
      Quote Originally Posted by Off Pump View Post
      I don't know which powertrain I'll get. Is the hybrid worth 10k plus? Does Ford/Lincoln have hybrid tax credits left?

      Its interesting that the Aviator goes from 51k to 91k but the Navigator only goes from 75k to 104k
      Nav and Expo should get more expensive plug-in options too, right? After the F-150 comes out?

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      01-24-2019 10:01 PM #129
      If I had 70k and an entourage I’d totally buy one of these.

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      01-24-2019 11:49 PM #130


      Looks so good.

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      01-25-2019 04:59 AM #131
      I'll be disappointed if it's not coming with these in the sunglasses holder



      and this movie on the hard drive





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      01-25-2019 08:34 AM #132
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      If I had 70k and an entourage I’d totally buy one of these.
      If you had one of these what would you use the Buick for?

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      01-25-2019 08:48 AM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by Off Pump View Post
      I think its just a bit steep. Was hoping it would be closer to 75k in grand touring hybrid black label form.

      I really think that I'll probably get one of these. They kind of tick every box for me - capable, luxurious, fresh.

      I don't know which powertrain I'll get. Is the hybrid worth 10k plus? Does Ford/Lincoln have hybrid tax credits left?

      Its interesting that the Aviator goes from 51k to 91k but the Navigator only goes from 75k to 104k
      To my thinking, if I am going to be okay with 400 hp then I may as well save money and get the Explorer ST. The hybrid buys me some more efficiency and luxury, and (conceivably) some tax credits.

      I am expecting some serious lease support behind these vehicles. If Lincoln knows they have a hit and wants to take market share from the X5, they pretty much need to subsidize the living hell out of it. I wouldn't expect Black Label support, but you can pretty much get all the hardware and chassis good stuff without going Black Label.
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      01-25-2019 09:38 AM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbo II View Post
      ...and this movie on the hard drive
      Hard drive, what's a hard drive?
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      01-25-2019 09:45 AM #135
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Hard drive, what's a hard drive?
      Ok, ok you got me . Hard Disk Drive or Solid-State Drive if you prefer that.

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      01-25-2019 10:03 AM #136
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      If you had one of these what would you use the Buick for?
      That took me a second. Nice.

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      01-25-2019 10:54 AM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      That took me a second. Nice.
      *Buick ad music starts playing*
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      01-25-2019 01:48 PM #138
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      To my thinking, if I am going to be okay with 400 hp then I may as well save money and get the Explorer ST. The hybrid buys me some more efficiency and luxury, and (conceivably) some tax credits.

      I am expecting some serious lease support behind these vehicles. If Lincoln knows they have a hit and wants to take market share from the X5, they pretty much need to subsidize the living hell out of it. I wouldn't expect Black Label support, but you can pretty much get all the hardware and chassis good stuff without going Black Label.
      Ford still has full Federal tax credit so they've priced the Aviator GT accordingly.

      And based on what Lincoln is doing now with MKC, Nautilus, and Navigator, I wouldn't expect any super aggressive discounts or lease support.

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      06-12-2019 02:31 AM #139
      https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...-cadillac-xt6/

      Aviator 3.0T RWD EPA numbers 18/26/21 MPG - not too shabby considering it has 400 hp and 400 lb-ft. According to the EPA fuel economy website, AWD gets 1 MPG less combined.

      cnet decided to take a cheap shot at Cadillac XT6 though... the comparison between the two is inevitable I suppose and the XT6 is not looking very good. It is more expensive, gets marginally worse MPG, is FWD standard (most people won't care), and comes significantly less power.

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      06-12-2019 02:48 AM #140
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      Ford still has full Federal tax credit so they've priced the Aviator GT accordingly.

      And based on what Lincoln is doing now with MKC, Nautilus, and Navigator, I wouldn't expect any super aggressive discounts or lease support.
      Still haven't seen a Nautilus on the road yet, but they had 15 of them lined up at Enterprise rental car the other weekend. Old habits die hard I suppose.

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      06-12-2019 10:46 AM #141
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...-cadillac-xt6/

      Aviator 3.0T RWD EPA numbers 18/26/21 MPG - not too shabby considering it has 400 hp and 400 lb-ft. According to the EPA fuel economy website, AWD gets 1 MPG less combined.

      cnet decided to take a cheap shot at Cadillac XT6 though... the comparison between the two is inevitable I suppose and the XT6 is not looking very good. It is more expensive, gets marginally worse MPG, is FWD standard (most people won't care), and comes significantly less power.
      Then it's not really a cheap shot
      "Of course that's just my opinion; I could be wrong."

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      06-12-2019 12:00 PM #142
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Then it's not really a cheap shot
      Agreed. This is what happens when you phone in a new product.

      Lincoln burned the midnight oil and Caddy didn't. Match goes to Lincoln. (At least at this early stage).
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      06-12-2019 12:06 PM #143
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      Still haven't seen a Nautilus on the road yet, but they had 15 of them lined up at Enterprise rental car the other weekend. Old habits die hard I suppose.
      I didn't expect it to change for that particular model. The Nautilus is nice, but it's certainly not a clean sheet redesign at the end of the day. Next-gen should be sitting pretty.
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    20. 06-12-2019 10:44 PM #144
      75,000 this thing will be worth about 18,000 in 3 years horrendous ford resale

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      06-12-2019 10:59 PM #145
      Quote Originally Posted by ImpeccableNEW View Post
      75,000 this thing will be worth about 18,000 in 3 years horrendous ford resale
      Based on what?
      High trim Explorers keep their values decently well (for the segment).
      I think you are pulling crap out of your ars.
      Or prove it- find a clean carfax 50k mile 2016 Platinum Explorer for "18k".
      And that's for an Explorer that had an "msrp" (before discounts) in the 50s, not the 70s.

    22. 06-14-2019 04:07 PM #146
      I saw my first Navigator (the largest one, I think) on the road yesterday.

      Actually didn't look good. Was tall and narrow and awkward looking.

      Maybe it wasn't the top trim, it was dark grey or black, and just looked like a random GM mammoth.

      I was smitten with them at auto show when seeing them up close but I was surprised how unrefined it looked on the road.

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      06-14-2019 04:15 PM #147
      Quote Originally Posted by chocofrappe55 View Post
      I saw my first Navigator (the largest one, I think) on the road yesterday.

      Actually didn't look good. Was tall and narrow and awkward looking.

      Maybe it wasn't the top trim, it was dark grey or black, and just looked like a random GM mammoth.

      I was smitten with them at auto show when seeing them up close but I was surprised how unrefined it looked on the road.
      That's how the latest expedition looks as well. The aviator should be much better
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      06-14-2019 04:26 PM #148
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Based on what?
      High trim Explorers keep their values decently well (for the segment).
      I think you are pulling crap out of your ars.
      Or prove it- find a clean carfax 50k mile 2016 Platinum Explorer for "18k".
      And that's for an Explorer that had an "msrp" (before discounts) in the 50s, not the 70s.
      Not quite 18k- but 25k is still pretty bad and a lot are sitting around that price. Half after 3 years..
      https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...Vehicles=false

      And you can pick up a 2011 Limited (loaded 302A with Active Park Assist etc) for like 10-12k all day
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      06-14-2019 04:37 PM #149
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Not quite 18k- but 25k is still pretty bad and a lot are sitting around that price. Half after 3 years..

      That's about par for the course for luxury cars, though, Look at Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series after 3 years.

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      06-14-2019 04:50 PM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      That's about par for the course for luxury cars, though, Look at Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series after 3 years.

      https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=516482303
      I get the point, but all german luxo-barges depreciate due to maintenance and warranty concerns. The same is not true of all American SUVs (ie the GC holds value relatively well).
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