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      11-28-2018 10:05 PM #101
      Looks awesome, I just wish the wheelbase wasn’t so long. Kinda feel like that could cause some serious scraping at the bottom. The wheelbase is longer than the 4-door, am I right?
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      11-28-2018 10:07 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      Looks awesome, I just wish the wheelbase wasn’t so long. Kinda feel like that could cause some serious scraping at the bottom. The wheelbase is longer than the 4-door, am I right?
      ~20" longer


      98 for jl, 118 for jlu, 137 for this



      ETA ~3" shorter than the long versions of a Tacoma or Colorado. It only seems long compared to a standard 2 door or 4 door jeep, it isn't long for a pickup.

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      11-28-2018 10:07 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I realize the tailgate is down here but man does that thing look long.


      Quote Originally Posted by r286ps2 View Post
      I do not like Jeeps with 4 doors. I think they look much better as 2 door vehicles. They just look half baked with four doors. It is like making a 4 door corvette some things just should not happen IMO.
      It still looks a little weird if I'm being honest.


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      11-28-2018 10:08 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      ~20" longer


      98 for jl, 118 for jlu, 137 for this
      Dang, that’s a lot of stretch.

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      11-28-2018 10:10 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Dang, that’s a lot of stretch.
      Wonder how it will do compared to the 4 and 2 door off road
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    7. 11-28-2018 10:16 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post




      It still looks a little weird if I'm being honest.

      I still think it looks much better. The four door looks awful. It looks like a limousine jeep.

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      11-28-2018 10:20 PM #107
      My friends keep telling me bro,

      But my heart? It just keeps telling me no.
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      11-28-2018 10:39 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      Wonder how it will do compared to the 4 and 2 door off road
      It will do some things better and some things worse, depends what type of off-roading you are doing.

      In reality though its meant to compete with things like the Tacoma and Colorado and similar trucks, it doesn't need to do rocks as well as a JL 2 door does the people who want that out of it will buy the 2 door or 4 door not the truck for the same reason they bought them last year over a Tacoma. The people that bought the Tacoma for what it can do weren't necessarily shopping for the 2/4 door JL to replace it, but they might look at this.

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      11-28-2018 10:47 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      What do you see as the limiting factor? Weight/traction on a steep boat ramp where a heavier truck would have more mechanical grip?
      Absolutely....yeah that thing can pull 7,600 lbs. down the highway all day long, but getting said boat out of the water at a ramp is a whole other animal. If you've done it, especially a big boat, you'll get what i'm saying. My point is I think they're going a little overboard in their press release showing this pulling a $180K wake boat down the road when the reality is it will fail at the ramp.

      That being said, I want one of these, and I like it a lot. I'll consider it as a replacement for my F150 if it doesn't cost more than an F150.
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      11-28-2018 11:02 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by forewheel View Post
      Absolutely....yeah that thing can pull 7,600 lbs. down the highway all day long, but getting said boat out of the water at a ramp is a whole other animal. If you've done it, especially a big boat, you'll get what i'm saying. My point is I think they're going a little overboard in their press release showing this pulling a $180K wake boat down the road when the reality is it will fail at the ramp.

      That being said, I want one of these, and I like it a lot. I'll consider it as a replacement for my F150 if it doesn't cost more than an F150.
      I don’t think it’ll have a problem with a locking front differential and limited slip rear end.

      I’ve pulled those boats out with a GMT400 and GMT800 with no problem, every now and then you stick it in 4x4. This thing has to weigh close to as much as a GMT400, if not a bit more.

      Out of curiosity, what is your buddy pulling his 7,800Lbs boat out with?

      A Malibu 24 MXZ weighs 5,500 Lbs dry, so let’s just say 6,200 coming out of the water. Keep that in mind.

      What kind of boat is it, too?
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      11-28-2018 11:05 PM #111
      I don't need this but my inner Jeep fanboy wants this in the worst way. This is cooler looking than the usual segment suspects - the Ranger looks downright bleh in comparison. I'd totally drive around with the doors and top off too.

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      11-28-2018 11:11 PM #112
      JLU rubicon weighs more than some F150s, and this is going to weigh more than a JLU.

      Are you saying that your truck is incapable of getting that boat out of the water?

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      11-29-2018 12:56 AM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by forewheel View Post
      Absolutely....yeah that thing can pull 7,600 lbs. down the highway all day long, but getting said boat out of the water at a ramp is a whole other animal. If you've done it, especially a big boat, you'll get what i'm saying. My point is I think they're going a little overboard in their press release showing this pulling a $180K wake boat down the road when the reality is it will fail at the ramp.
      It's a Jeep bro, winch the boat in and out

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      11-29-2018 01:02 AM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      JLU rubicon weighs more than some F150s, and this is going to weigh more than a JLU.

      Are you saying that your truck is incapable of getting that boat out of the water?
      I’m curious as well, a 25’ Mastercraft competition boat weighs 6,200 lbs.

      Keep in mind, I’m not saying a vehicle with a 7,800lbs towing capacity would be a comfortable solution for long highway trips with 7,000Lbs behind them. But I am saying it should have no issue pulling it up a boat ramp, or going from the lake house with boat storage to the ramp half a mile down the road.

      Or, if you’re really balling with a $180,000 wake boat you have it in storage at the dock, or your private dock on the lake, on a lift and covered. Because the people I know with money aren’t towing their boats to the lake, they park their cars at their house/dock and walk to them.
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      11-29-2018 07:21 AM #115
      Obviously it can't tow a boat it's got a pu**y 6 cylinder. Any blue blooded slack jawed yocal knows real trucks have V8s.

      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      It still looks a little weird if I'm being honest.

      your pic reminds me of this build...

      https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/...-dive-1300759/


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      11-29-2018 08:34 AM #116
      I like both the 2 and 4 door Wranglers, so I'm surprised at how blah I feel about this. I know it's what actual new truck buyers want, but to me, something more like the shorty bed Defender 4 door would have been much more gottahaveit.





      The Gladiator is more like the D127 and D130 , proportionally. More wheelbase and a lot more rear overhang.








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      11-29-2018 08:39 AM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I like both the 2 and 4 door Wranglers, so I'm surprised at how blah I feel about this. I know it's what actual new truck buyers want, but to me, something more like the shorty bed Defender 4 door would have been much more gottahaveit.

      The Gladiator is more like the D127 and D130 , proportionally. More wheelbase and a lot more rear overhang.
      That Defender looks awesome, a little bit too short for my taste. I think the JLU wheelbase length is the sweet spot. The new Gladiator is way too long, like a pick-up limo. Reminds me of all the Hummer limos these high schoolers use for prom.

      Although, to be fair to Jeep, Americas are fat... any less wheelbase and they would hear complaints about rear legroom and belly room

      If I go in the market for a JL, I would get a JLU and do this conversion with the shorter wheelbase. To me, this is perfection

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      11-29-2018 08:43 AM #118


      Paraphrasing..

      Front seat to back seat is the same as the Wagon... 20" longer wheelbase than the Wagon.... overall length is about +30" longer than the Wagon... +20" in wheelbase... +10" in rear overhang... 5.5 foot box... 3rd gen Dana 44's... different chassis (beefed up).... Diesel coming... Sport(base)/Rubicon(offroad+)/Overland(lux)... 33" tire on the Rubicon... enough space for a 35" spare... won' take much lift for a 37... bed only about 2' deep... you can stand next to the Rubicon and put your hand flat on the bed floor, so MUCH different than the bulk of the truck market right now with their sky-high bedsides... lots of bed options coming (racks, overland drawer system, etc)... factory tonnau cover options... lots of tie downs...
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      11-29-2018 08:53 AM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      The new Gladiator is way too long
      It's a midsize pickup truck and has the dimensions of a midsize pickup truck.

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      11-29-2018 08:58 AM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      It's a midsize pickup truck and has the dimensions of a midsize pickup truck.
      I know, just looks wise it doesn't look right to me. Seems like it will hinder some true off-road capability. Just my opinion, not saying I'm right.
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      11-29-2018 09:01 AM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by Engineer90 View Post
      If I go in the market for a JL, I would get a JLU and do this conversion with the shorter wheelbase. To me, this is perfection

      The stretched 2 door JLU would be my go-to if I got into Jeeping.



      It's like the (now crazy priced) FJ40 vs FJ43 Land Cruisers... the 43s have 5" of wheel base and 18" longer body. It's a small enough stretch that it doesn't throw off the proportions but offers a LOT more room for gear and people.

      I like a little more wheelbase on the trail, but the Gladiator takes that to the extreme for me, might as well wheel a full size truck at that point.

      I fully recognize that the Gladiator is what actual, new midsize truck buyers want. It's not really aimed at me, and that's ok.

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      11-29-2018 09:05 AM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post

      ETA ~3" shorter than the long versions of a Tacoma or Colorado. It only seems long compared to a standard 2 door or 4 door jeep, it isn't long for a pickup.

      Well sure, but that's with the 6 food bed. With the same bed/cab configuration, the Tacoma, Colorado, and upcoming Ranger have a ~10-12" shorter wheelbase than the Gladiator.

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      11-29-2018 09:06 AM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      The stretched 2 door JLU would be my go-to if I got into Jeeping.

      It's like the (now crazy priced) FJ40 vs FJ43 Land Cruisers... the 43s have 5" of wheel base and 18" longer body. It's a small enough stretch that it doesn't throw off the proportions but offers a LOT more room for gear and people.

      I like a little more wheelbase on the trail, but the Gladiator takes that to the extreme for me, might as well wheel a full size truck at that point.

      I fully recognize that the Gladiator is what actual, new midsize truck buyers want. It's not really aimed at me, and that's ok.
      Exactly the way I feel. I'm not feeling the Gladiator, too long for being a Wrangler. Might as well get a RAM or a Raptor. I want the 2-door with the longer bed to fit my MTBs on an upright position. It's just me and my wife, no kids, so 2-doors is perfect for us.
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      11-29-2018 09:07 AM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I realize the tailgate is down here but man does that thing look long.

      Wonder how the approach and departure angles will compare to the rest of the segment?

      I am picturing a huge bro party with a hot tub in that bed.

      This photo makes it look really really long. I have to agree with the thought that a 2 door would look nicer.

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      11-29-2018 09:09 AM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by Bonk2Hossa View Post
      I am picturing a huge bro party with a hot tub in that bed.

      This photo makes it look really really long. I have to agree with the thought that a 2 door would look nicer.
      As I said before, the 2-door JLU pick-up conversion I posted above is perfection. The Gladiator is an effin Wrangler limo
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