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      05-08-2018 08:15 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      A licensing agreement? So Sears pimps out what's left of their good name to help keep them solvent, and a manufacturer of low-quality grills gets to use a mid-level "brand name" to fool some customers who don't do their homework. It's a "win/win" for everyone except the person who ends up with a grill-shaped, 'stainless steel' lawn ornament that will remind them of their poor decision while it rusts away on the lawn, until the day they take it to the dump to be recycled into, with any luck, a tool more worthy of the name.
      I'll post a picture of mine when I get it.

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      05-08-2018 08:22 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by TDIBUGMAN View Post
      Years ago (like two decades +) Charmglow was actually an excellent grill, sold by the Natural Gas Company and a few other specialty retailers. We had a Kenmore; all the rich folk had Charmglow.
      I read about that. It's a pity where they ended up.
      From the npboards, home of "intelligent discussion:" ...Trump...seems to be appealing quite a bit to black voters. By some estimates as many as one out of four would vote for him. This may well be because he not only has a Strong Pimp Hand, he is also the most "******-Rich" man in New York City. In other words, someone they can both relate to and aspire to."

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      05-09-2018 07:21 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      A licensing agreement? So Sears pimps out what's left of their good name to help keep them solvent, and a manufacturer of low-quality grills gets to use a mid-level "brand name" to fool some customers who don't do their homework. It's a "win/win" for everyone except the person who ends up with a grill-shaped, 'stainless steel' lawn ornament that will remind them of their poor decision while it rusts away on the lawn, until the day they take it to the dump to be recycled into, with any luck, a tool more worthy of the name.
      To be fair, Sears had pimped out the Kenmore brand for years - I think every appliance manufacturer in the US at one point made SOMETHING for them.

      With exception - Weber, Traeger, some Kitchenaid models - Home Depot and Lowes are peddling the same crap as Sears does.

      I remember when shopping at Sears was something - my entire family even had the narrower credit card. My Grandfather used his up until the day he passed; it had no magnetic stripe or expiration so they had to walk around looking for an imprinter!

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      05-09-2018 08:54 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by TDIBUGMAN View Post
      To be fair, Sears had pimped out the Kenmore brand for years - I think every appliance manufacturer in the US at one point made SOMETHING for them.

      With exception - Weber, Traeger, some Kitchenaid models - Home Depot and Lowes are peddling the same crap as Sears does.

      I remember when shopping at Sears was something - my entire family even had the narrower credit card. My Grandfather used his up until the day he passed; it had no magnetic stripe or expiration so they had to walk around looking for an imprinter!
      In the later 90s I had an industrial design internship at GE's Appliance Park in Louisville KY. Easily 70% of dishwashers, washing machines, and dryers were GE units with name-brand-specific shells and control panels, such as Kenmore. There was a large conference room with all the major units in it and my boss went down the line "That's ours, that's ours, that's ours, that's a competitors, that's ours, that's ours: it uses all the panels from Kenmore unit we just add specific knobs and graphics. Oh, it has a different outer door panel.

      I learned a lot that summer. I even "designed" an HVAC unit used in hotel/motel rooms that went into production.

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      05-09-2018 01:44 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by TDIBUGMAN View Post
      ...With exception - Weber, Traeger, some Kitchenaid models - Home Depot and Lowes are peddling the same crap as Sears does.

      I remember when shopping at Sears was something - my entire family even had the narrower credit card. My Grandfather used his up until the day he passed; it had no magnetic stripe or expiration so they had to walk around looking for an imprinter!
      The difference is that the stuff rebadged for Lowe's and Home Depot has never inspired confidence, unlike the Sears brand. Everybody knows their John Deere models are crap, for example. But yeah, I guess that's a historical artifact at this point. I'm old enough to remember the same thing. Buying my first set of Craftsman tools seemed like practically a rite of passage back then, and they always made good on any broken tool. I had my 1/2" ratchet rebuilt for free at a Sears outlet store as recently as 2009, but I don't know if they're still doing that. Seems hopelessly dated, now.
      From the npboards, home of "intelligent discussion:" ...Trump...seems to be appealing quite a bit to black voters. By some estimates as many as one out of four would vote for him. This may well be because he not only has a Strong Pimp Hand, he is also the most "******-Rich" man in New York City. In other words, someone they can both relate to and aspire to."

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      05-09-2018 02:53 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by TDIBUGMAN View Post
      ... I remember when shopping at Sears was something - my entire family even had the narrower credit card ...
      Yup. Going to Sears at Lafayette Plaza in Bridgeport was the thing to do.

      I still have my Ted Williams weights.

      Forgot about the narrow credit card. Thanks for mentioning it!

      Lafayette Plaza: http://deadmalls.com/malls/lafayette...ho_center.html.

      I could fill in some of the gaps in the above write-up. Things like, D'Addario was the person he mention that died.

      http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...ot-flight-plan

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      $162,000,000 gone in 26 years of probate.

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      05-09-2018 04:43 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by TDIBUGMAN View Post
      Home Depot and Lowes are peddling the same crap as Sears does.
      One more negative Sears comment, and this thread will get a detailed build of my Kenmore grill when I get it.

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      05-09-2018 05:16 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      One more negative Sears comment, and this thread will get a detailed build of my Kenmore grill when I get it.
      I went to the Sears liquidation sale last year and was horribly disappointed. They just marked everything over MSRP. A 39-piece tool set for $99? 10 screwdrivers for $59.99? Please. This is Craftsman, not Matco.

      /awaiting detailed Kenmore grill

      f**k Sears & Roebuck, Co.

      /with pictures
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      05-09-2018 05:31 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      One more negative Sears comment, and this thread will get a detailed build of my Kenmore grill when I get it.
      Cool. Maybe mount a time-lapse "rust-cam" on the grill, too, so we can watch it decompose in real time.
      From the npboards, home of "intelligent discussion:" ...Trump...seems to be appealing quite a bit to black voters. By some estimates as many as one out of four would vote for him. This may well be because he not only has a Strong Pimp Hand, he is also the most "******-Rich" man in New York City. In other words, someone they can both relate to and aspire to."

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      05-09-2018 05:34 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      Cool. Maybe mount a time-lapse "rust-cam" on the grill, too, so we can watch it decompose in real time.
      You know he will do that, and monitor incoming IPs, just so when there is even a remote chance of you watching, he will hold up his phone to the "rust-cam" and play Roseanne Barr's early porn tapes for you.
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      05-09-2018 05:47 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Code Red! View Post
      You know he will do that, and monitor incoming IPs, just so when there is even a remote chance of you watching, he will hold up his phone to the "rust-cam" and play Roseanne Barr's early porn tapes for you.
      I suppose bulimia could help my weight issue.
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      05-09-2018 06:02 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      Cool. Maybe mount a time-lapse "rust-cam" on the grill, too, so we can watch it decompose in real time.
      I got 8 years out of the last one. Hope you're patient.

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      I picked up the Weber summit S670 about 4 yesrs ago and its been amazing. But I am really starting to get the itch for charcoal and proper smoking too

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      05-10-2018 11:01 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by Sir UNBANNED_GERBIL M.B. View Post


      I picked up the Weber summit S670 about 4 yesrs ago and its been amazing. But I am really starting to get the itch for charcoal and proper smoking too
      has it been that long? I remember the old grill thread. and the birth of the Terror Grill.

      I've been wanting to add a charcoal grill as well.
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      05-10-2018 12:07 PM #65
      Once you go charcoal...

      Using a chimney starter, a half chimney takes 15 minutes to light. A full one maybe 30. There is a unique flavor that charcoal offers that cannot be matched.

      Yes it's not as instant. But as I mentioned earlier, it forces you to slow down. Have an adult beverage - maybe a real conversation with the person next to you? Get some prep done. My favorite is sit on my a**.

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      05-12-2018 02:18 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      Tried to buy a new grill at Sears this weekend. Once we decided on one of the $400 stainless models, we asked the lady sitting nearby by all the dishwashers lady if we could buy one.

      She went to the hardware cashier and then came back and said “Dave will be over in a minute to help you with that.” and returned to her counter to hang out with the dishwashers.

      We watched Dave work steadily through ringing up hardware customers for 10 minutes before we left.

      Maybe next week.
      Went back today, and had a huge flashback. Told the same dishwasher woman I wanted one, and she sent me over to Dave the cashier. Had to wait in line behind two people - one was exchanging something, and the other one didn't have a tag on the item they were buying, so Dave had to walk around the store with them..

      Painful.

      When it was finally my turn, I took him to the one I wanted. I pointed right at it and said "This one"

      Dave: "Oh, this is a nice model. It's mostly stainless, compact, and has (opens lid) stainless cooki..."
      Me: "Yes, this is the one I want. I'm ready to buy it now."
      Dave: "OK, it also had a nice side searing burner (opens lid) that you can use as a stove or if you turn it up, you can cook somet..."
      Me: "Yes. Dave. I know. Don't I need to pay for it before I go to customer pickup and get it?
      Dave: "It's not going to be assembled, but don't worry, this top part is all one piece..."
      Me: "Dave, I'm ready to put the box in my car and take it home"
      Dave: "If it's not assembled, it will be fit easier in you car. Do you have room in your ca..."
      Me: "Dave, I can't be any more ready to buy this and put it in my van and take it home. If you show me where the box is, I will even go get it myself."
      Dave: "The warehouse people will get it for you if you show them a receipt"
      Me: "That's great, let's get me a receipt"

      (buys grill, takes receipt to scanner at customer pickup)

      Man comes out with hand truck, but the box has a mower in it. He looks at me, and I tell him it's not mine. He asks me for my receipt, I give it to him.

      He scans the receipt, doesn't miss a step, and points to the door and says, "Are you parked out here?"

      Me: That's not mine, I am picking up a grill.

      I hand him the receipt, he looks at it, then says, "OK. I'll be back in a few minutes with the right mower."

      I said, "Here, please, please take the receipt for this gas grill back with you"

      A few minutes later he came out with the right box.

      Say what you want about Sears and their great values... It's the customer service that keeps me coming back.

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      05-12-2018 03:09 PM #67
      Searsiously awesome service.

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      05-14-2018 10:31 AM #68
      Used the Master Touch for the first time yesterday. LaFreida's burgers with pork roll and port wine cheddar on big English muffins and some marinated chicken.

      Not having the cart is interesting. Due to crap weather, not haveing the cart allowed me to put the grill on the deck. I didn't realize how used to the workspace I was. So I'm going to reconfigure the grill area; Keter make a really nice stainless steel topped outdoor work table with dry storage (good for charcoal, etc.). The taller height is great. I'm 6'8", so the MT is 3 1/2" higher than the regular kettle or even the Performer. The handle has hanging tabs for cooking tools; due to the heat I doubt I'll ever use them for anything other than the grill brush. It also comes with a warming rack which does what tit needs to, without being in the way.

      All in all, a great grill. Just need to get my space situated better.

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      05-14-2018 10:54 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      Went back today, and had a huge flashback. Told the same dishwasher woman I wanted one, and she sent me over to Dave the cashier. Had to wait in line behind two people - one was exchanging something, and the other one didn't have a tag on the item they were buying, so Dave had to walk around the store with them..

      Painful.

      When it was finally my turn, I took him to the one I wanted. I pointed right at it and said "This one"

      Dave: "Oh, this is a nice model. It's mostly stainless, compact, and has (opens lid) stainless cooki..."
      Me: "Yes, this is the one I want. I'm ready to buy it now."
      Dave: "OK, it also had a nice side searing burner (opens lid) that you can use as a stove or if you turn it up, you can cook somet..."
      Me: "Yes. Dave. I know. Don't I need to pay for it before I go to customer pickup and get it?
      Dave: "It's not going to be assembled, but don't worry, this top part is all one piece..."
      Me: "Dave, I'm ready to put the box in my car and take it home"
      Dave: "If it's not assembled, it will be fit easier in you car. Do you have room in your ca..."
      Me: "Dave, I can't be any more ready to buy this and put it in my van and take it home. If you show me where the box is, I will even go get it myself."
      Dave: "The warehouse people will get it for you if you show them a receipt"
      Me: "That's great, let's get me a receipt"

      (buys grill, takes receipt to scanner at customer pickup)

      Man comes out with hand truck, but the box has a mower in it. He looks at me, and I tell him it's not mine. He asks me for my receipt, I give it to him.

      He scans the receipt, doesn't miss a step, and points to the door and says, "Are you parked out here?"

      Me: That's not mine, I am picking up a grill.

      I hand him the receipt, he looks at it, then says, "OK. I'll be back in a few minutes with the right mower."

      I said, "Here, please, please take the receipt for this gas grill back with you"

      A few minutes later he came out with the right box.

      Say what you want about Sears and their great values... It's the customer service that keeps me coming back.
      Old Gil just wanted to make sure he closed the deal.

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      05-15-2018 12:35 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      I got 8 years out of the last one. Hope you're patient.
      I bought a SS Kenmore Elite grill back in 2007. Never put a cover on it, including over the winter. Had all of the gas tubes, gas tube cover plates, igniters and grill grates replaced under warranty over the years (used to be ten years on "cooking apparatus" or something to that effect). Eleven years in, the chassis itself is like new after a bit of polishing. And I need new igniters again.
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      05-15-2018 12:44 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      Went back today, and had a huge flashback. Told the same dishwasher woman I wanted one, and she sent me over to Dave the cashier. Had to wait in line behind two people - one was exchanging something, and the other one didn't have a tag on the item they were buying, so Dave had to walk around the store with them..

      Painful.

      When it was finally my turn, I took him to the one I wanted. I pointed right at it and said "This one"

      Dave: "Oh, this is a nice model. It's mostly stainless, compact, and has (opens lid) stainless cooki..."
      Me: "Yes, this is the one I want. I'm ready to buy it now."
      Dave: "OK, it also had a nice side searing burner (opens lid) that you can use as a stove or if you turn it up, you can cook somet..."
      Me: "Yes. Dave. I know. Don't I need to pay for it before I go to customer pickup and get it?
      Dave: "It's not going to be assembled, but don't worry, this top part is all one piece..."
      Me: "Dave, I'm ready to put the box in my car and take it home"
      Dave: "If it's not assembled, it will be fit easier in you car. Do you have room in your ca..."
      Me: "Dave, I can't be any more ready to buy this and put it in my van and take it home. If you show me where the box is, I will even go get it myself."
      Dave: "The warehouse people will get it for you if you show them a receipt"
      Me: "That's great, let's get me a receipt"

      (buys grill, takes receipt to scanner at customer pickup)

      Man comes out with hand truck, but the box has a mower in it. He looks at me, and I tell him it's not mine. He asks me for my receipt, I give it to him.

      He scans the receipt, doesn't miss a step, and points to the door and says, "Are you parked out here?"

      Me: That's not mine, I am picking up a grill.

      I hand him the receipt, he looks at it, then says, "OK. I'll be back in a few minutes with the right mower."

      I said, "Here, please, please take the receipt for this gas grill back with you"

      A few minutes later he came out with the right box.

      Say what you want about Sears and their great values... It's the customer service that keeps me coming back.
      Man, they bent over backwards for you. It boggles the mind on why they went bankrupt.
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      05-15-2018 01:23 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      /snip

      Say what you want about Sears and their great values... It's the customer service that keeps me coming back.
      iain

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      05-15-2018 01:33 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by GreenandChrome View Post
      Man, they bent over backwards for you. It boggles the mind on why they went bankrupt.
      I probably shouldn't have cancelled my Sears MC. Damn it.

      Stories of this sort of great customer service need to be broadcast to the masses. Had I read it earlier I would have clung to that card with determination.
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      05-15-2018 08:20 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by GreenandChrome View Post
      /awaiting detailed Kenmore grill

      /with pictures
      As promised.

      Once the warehouse guy figured out the difference between a lawn mower and a gas grill, it was loaded in the car, and home we went.



      Once home, I got the (1) required tool to put it together, and went straight to the deck.



      Let's get started



      Unboxed in it's 90% stainless, unblemished glory



      Step #1 - Screw in the tank bolt to bottom panel



      Step #2 - Attach bottom panel trim piece



      Step #3 - Attach all four casters user (4) screws and (4) washers each.

      e

      Step #4 - Turn back over and attach the left, right, and back panel to the cart.



      Step #5 - Attach left and right triangle brackets, and the cart beam



      Step #6 - Carefully place the grill head onto the grill cart.



      Step #7 - After attaching the door handles, install the doors into the grill cart.



      Step #8 - Attach the left side shelf to grill cart.



      Step #9 - Attach the right side shelf, remove burner to install valve, then reinstall the burner and the knob.



      Step #10 - Install the grease tray and cup.



      Step #11 - Install the (4) heat diffusers.



      Step #12 - Install the main cooking grates and the warming rack.



      Step #13 - Remove side burner sticker



      Step #14 - Remove remaining stickers.



      Step #15 - Pose the new and old together











      Step #16 - put old out at the curb.


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      #dressedforgrillsuccess

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