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Ford releases the first all-new 2020 Bronco teaser ? It's gonna have two (or four) doors... Seriously!

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Ford releases the first all-new 2020 Bronco teaser — It's gonna have two (or four) doors... Seriously!

So, all that stuff about the Bronco just being a refreshed Everest?... Nevermind! :laugh:

From a big press release about all of Ford's future plans: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...nd-EVs-five-vehicle-architectures&p=110613353



Press Release said:
Ford also plans to drive growth with two all-new off-road models: the new Bronco and a yet-to-be-named off-road small utility – both designed to win a growing number of people who love getting away and spending time outdoors with their families and friends.

“Ford helped start the off-road phenomenon and has majored in off-road capability for decades – from the Bronco to the Raptor,” said Jim Farley, Ford president, Global Markets. “Now, we’re ready to reclaim our rightful place as the off-road vehicle leader.”

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Next-Gen Hybrid Electrics: Part of Ford’s new strategy includes going all-in on hybrids to bring more capability to customers of our most popular and high-volume vehicles like F-150, Mustang, Explorer, Escape and Bronco – and serve as a hedge for customers against higher gas prices.

Ford’s new hybrids will offer customers more space than today’s hybrids. On the F-150 Hybrid, Ford will lean in to capability, such as the low-end torque for extra pulling power and the fact it can serve as a mobile generator. Mustang Hybrid will be all about delivering V8-like performance with more low-end torque.

“Hybrids for years have been mostly niche products but are now on the cusp of a mainstream breakout,” Farley said. “The valuable capability they offer – plus fuel efficiency – is why we’re going to offer hybrid variants of our most popular and high-volume vehicles, allowing our loyal, passionate customers to become advocates for the technology.”

Ford’s new hybrid system is designed to be more efficient and less expensive than previous generations. These lower costs – achieved through supply base relationships, using common cell and component design and by manufacturing motors, transmissions and battery packs – with the intention of lowering cost of ownership for customers.
 
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#562 ·
Hooray. Still bummed that this wasn't revealed as planned (though I COMPLETELY) understand why.

Our plan was to get an idea of packaging and pricing, then sell either our GTI or CX-5 to Carvana over the summer while the used car market was (formerly) hot. Prior Carvana offer gave me about $5k equity in my 2 year old GTI, which was great. Yours truly planned to snag a small pickup for DD duties, then put an order in and take delivery in Q1 2021.

I suspect said plan now has $5-7k less capital available to move forward with :laugh:
 
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#573 ·
TFL just got themselves on Ford's Naughty List. :laugh:

The offroad bonofides for this thing are looking really impressive.
 
#579 ·
So for those who don't know... a "Crawler" gear is a low-low, so you can basically let out the clutch, at idle and not give it any gas, and it will just crawl away slowly, like a tractor.

You would only use it offroad and I bet it's locked out unless the transfer case is in 4LO already.
 
#581 ·
I made the mistake of starting in 1st gear once in a 1990 F150 work escort truck with the granny gear (4 speed, but really a 3 speed with one extra lower gear added for "1st").
I wound out the inline 6 almost immediately, then shifted into 2nd which was just another 1st gear. :laugh:
Felt like a doofus.
 
#584 ·
Speculation from a friend...

First gear will probably be a normal 3.75 or 4:1, but C will probably be 5.5 or maybe even 6. NP435s in 80s F150s had a 6.68:1 1st gear in a four speed. So it was essentially a three speed because you never used first on the street, you just started in second, which was 3.5 or so. Reverse in the 435 was almost 8:1. Weren't whipping any Rockford turns in those.
 
#585 ·
Speculation from a friend...
First gear will probably be a normal 3.75 or 4:1, but C will probably be 5.5 or maybe even 6. NP435s in 80s F150s had a 6.68:1 1st gear in a four speed. So it was essentially a three speed because you never used first on the street, you just started in second, which was 3.5 or so. Reverse in the 435 was almost 8:1. Weren't whipping any Rockford turns in those.
The Wrangler JL manual trans has a 1st gear ratio of 5.13:1. The Crawler ratio in the Bronco I think has to be at least 6:1, if not deeper than that, to justify its existence.

I'm very curious what the t-case ratio will be. Will it keep the standard 2.72 from the Ranger, or will they have a 4:1 or similar to match the Rubicon?
 
#602 ·
The figured it out.

Ford Motor Company • @Ford
The reveal of the all-new Bronco lineup will now happen on Monday, July 13. This is instead of July 9. We are sensitive and respectful to some concerns raised previously about the date, which was purely coincidental.
 
#609 ·
OK, but look at what day they chose: July 13th. Like are they for real?

July 13, 1863 Anti-draft mobs lynch blacks in NYC; about 1,000 die
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

This is unbelievable and inexcusable. It's proof that Ford hates blacks and is engaging in systemic racism by celebrating July 13th, the anniversary of one of the deadliest attacks on black Americans in history. Absolutely inexcusable. They did this on purpose because they're so angry and bitter about having to celebrate Juneteenth that they went out of their way to find a day to celebrate white workers slaughtering over a thousand recently freed black slaves.
 
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#623 ·
Colorado ZR2 as a benchmark? Bronco Sport along for the ride as well?

I can see me flat towing one of these 2 door Broncs behind an RV as the wife and I travel the country when the kids are gone.


Oh and can we remove the stupidity from the thread please.
 
#621 ·
What? Do you work for Ford? Are you trying to get away with the sleight of hand to Lee Iacocca? We know the truth :sly:
 
#625 ·
I feel like I (we) waited a long time for this and it looks like an Element on steroids, was hoping for more in the styling department.

Maybe I'll still be wowed at the reveal, but right now my money would still go to a Wrangler based on what I'm seeing. It's sort of ugly/blah IMO.
 
#631 ·
Competition is a good thing, but I'm willing to bet this is priced right in line with a Wrangler, meaning north of $50k for a higher-but-not-top-of-the-line-trim that has acceptable equipment levels needed for a daily.

I built a Sahara JLU and it was like $52k, and I wasn't going nuts, just pretty normal for what I'd want in a daily. I expect the Bronco to be the same, let's face it - tarted up these will be $65k.
 
#632 ·
The cheapest Wranglers I ever see on a lot or listing is around $34k before ttl. That's for a barebones, 2 door S. Will some competition drive down prices? Never, it just won't happen.

I know I'm a broken record but if we got the Suzuki JIMNY here for around $25k well equipped they would sell every dang one of them as fast as they could make them.

Right now, people just buy a used Jeep and I have so little interest in a used FCA product. :thumbdown:
 
#634 ·
I would guess they will start about $1-2k over the base of a Wrangler/Wrangler Unlimited. So $35k or so.
 
#650 · (Edited)
Oh I know all the reasons it can't and won't come here (#1 of which is that Suzuki doesn't sell cars here anymore.) But none of that changes how much I want it.

:laugh: :beer:



Eventually, I'll just put-up-or-shut-up and buy an old import to get the small, slow, simple 4x4 that I want.

 
#663 · (Edited)


New teaser image...

Ford will introduce the Bronco during an event it will stream on its website and its various social media channels starting at 8 p.m. July 13, but fans will also have the opportunity to learn about the new off-roader on ABC, ESPN, and National Geographic. The three Disney-owned television channels will each air a three-minute film showcasing a different aspect of the Bronco shortly after the model makes its debut online.
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/07/02...ounced-gets-some-disney-magic-for-big-reveal/
 
#664 ·
Much excite.
 
#667 ·
I think it might come down to personal preferences. Some people like the less popular choice because they don't want to see themselves coming and going on their drive to work everyday. Or there are already 5 Jeeps of various flavors on their block. If I were in the market, driver and passenger comfort would factor in. I love Wranglers and I wish I were the kind of person who wheels off-road. If they were a bit more comfortable day to day, I'd consider one because I like the idea of, "I could go anywhere if I wanted to". But there's too much compromise for regular driving and commuting for me.
 
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