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      02-05-2018 12:30 PM #1
      I'm thinking of picking up a compact 9mm so I stopped into the local gun shop to check out the VP9SK and the XD-E.

      The VP9SK is every bit a mini VP9. It felt virtually identical to my VP9, down the same positioning of the slide release (which I tend to ride and inadvertently release the slide on empty).


      With the grip extension it also fit my hand perfectly.

      The XD-E was also very comfortable and being a single-stack it was noticeably thinner than the SK.



      As much as I liked the feel of the VP9SK in my hand, I just didn't think that the extra width of the double-stack was worth only 1 extra round versus the XD-E. The XDE also comes with a fiber optic front site standard with replacement tubes of different colors.

      They wanted $500 for the XD-E and it came with 3 mags. The only VP9SK they had was used and they wanted $525 for it. Right now I'm leaning towards the XD-E but I'll probably hold off until Springfield has their annual "buy a pistol and get free mags" promotion.

      Anyone shot either and have opinions? I'm also interested in the SIG P320 and the new SIG P325 looks like it might be solid too.
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      02-05-2018 12:53 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      I'm thinking of picking up a compact 9mm so I stopped into the local gun shop to check out the VP9SK and the XD-E.
      If you're adhering to principle, skip SA.

      If you don't care, why not try the XD-S w/ the 4" barrel?

      I shot a SIG 320 w/ RDS. Nice gun, but not for concealing.
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      02-05-2018 01:04 PM #3
      You mean in regards to sticking with a striker-fired pistol with no external safety?

      I've held the XD-S and the grip texture is pretty uncomfortable for me.

      Oh, the 320 compact is roughly the same size as my VP9. Yea, that's too big. I think the modularity of the P320 is what draws me to it. That and it's comfortable to hold.
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      02-05-2018 01:33 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      You mean in regards to sticking with a striker-fired pistol with no external safety?

      I've held the XD-S and the grip texture is pretty uncomfortable for me.

      Oh, the 320 compact is roughly the same size as my VP9. Yea, that's too big. I think the modularity of the P320 is what draws me to it. That and it's comfortable to hold.
      No, I meant that SA and RRA were paying a lobbyist to say "we'll support your bill on gun control if you put in a carve-out for in-state manufacturers" BS. SA & RRA were actively supporting gun control and got caught. Because they were using a lobbyist, they claimed they didn't know what he was doing. When this happened, gun retailers couldn't sell SA firearms. Poor timing, as this was just months before the SAINT was released.

      There are some on here that think SA is crap, so, there's that. I've come to prefer firearms with non-external safeties.
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      02-06-2018 12:13 AM #5
      HK all the way... SA can go to hell.

      You might also check out the SIG P365. It's G43 size with 10+1 capacity.

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      02-06-2018 03:33 PM #6
      Oh, I had forgotten about the Taurus PT111 Millennium Pro G2. They are pretty damn cheap (a little over $200) but it has good reviews.

      http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...enium-g2-9-mm/

      http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-millenium-g2/

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      02-06-2018 03:52 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      Oh, I had forgotten about the Taurus PT111 Millennium Pro G2. They are pretty damn cheap (a little over $200) but it has good reviews.

      http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...enium-g2-9-mm/

      http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-millenium-g2/
      so what are you looking for? purely compact carry? or just a smaller gun? round count an issue?

      I don't see any issue with the Taurus; I've shot one a few years ago, but didn't really like it.

      You look at a Kahr? Not sure if the price is worth it, imho. Also check out the Walthers; PPQ I think.

      My next purchase is likely going to be a 9mm 1911, G43, or G19.
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      02-06-2018 05:07 PM #8
      I’m looking for something that I might carry concealed.
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      02-06-2018 07:45 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      I’m looking for something that I might carry concealed.
      G43 (and I'm the furthest from a G-fanboy)

      If Glocks aren't your thing, or don't want them to be your thing, I'd go with (as mentioned) XD-S in 4". I haven't tried the PPQ, but heard good things.
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      02-06-2018 08:29 PM #10
      I've actually shot the G43 a few times and I don't particularly like it.
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      02-06-2018 08:40 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      I've actually shot the G43 a few times and I don't particularly like it.


      j/k. I know that feel. I had a Shield and I didn't really like that. It's all about comfort.
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      02-06-2018 11:51 PM #12
      The new SIG P365 is smaller than the G43 but has 10+1 capacity... Sounds like a great pistol from the reviews I've seen.

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      02-18-2018 09:10 PM #13
      Yea, I’m leaning pretty heavily towards the P365. It looks like a great pistol.
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      02-18-2018 09:17 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      Yea, I’m leaning pretty heavily towards the P365. It looks like a great pistol.
      It looks good on paper. However, I would prefer a short grip and a longer barrel. For CC, a big/long grip is hard to hide.
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      02-18-2018 11:41 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      Yea, I’m leaning pretty heavily towards the P365. It looks like a great pistol.
      Hmmmm.... My suggestion might be a bit premature. It seems there are some typical SIG USA teething issues with this pistol. Assuming you can even find one, you might want to hold off. Apparently SIG has stopped shipping them.

      Oh, SIG, don't you ever change.

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      02-19-2018 10:13 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      Hmmmm.... My suggestion might be a bit premature. It seems there are some typical SIG USA teething issues with this pistol. Assuming you can even find one, you might want to hold off. Apparently SIG has stopped shipping them.

      Oh, SIG, don't you ever change.
      Hmmm... I wonder if the issue is purely mechanical or user? the FB post from SIG hints at weak-wristed shooters, but that could just be diversionary.
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      02-19-2018 03:55 PM #17
      I thought I posted already here...

      I am a huge Glock fanboi, Glock all the way. Everyday Glock wins. Be warned.

      But avoid SA like the plague. Remember they aren't even the real Springfield Armory anyways. Just an Anti-2A shop that relabels old Eastern European firearms.

      My advice of guns to check out:
      Glock 43
      Glock 42
      S&W Shield 9
      Sig Sauer P365 (I haven't checked one out yet, but I am anxious to do so)
      Kahr CM9

      I own two Ruger LCPs, but those are true pocket pistols, and are terrible to shoot (Inaccurate).
      I owned a Ruger LC9s and just didn't like it, Glock, Sig, S&W or Kahr are better.

      I personally carry a Glock 42 and Glock 43 clothing/ weather dependant. Both have Ghost internals and Taran Tactical base plates for extra capacity. Running Underwood Extreme Defense 380 and Federal HST 9mm.

      Glock 43 is probably the most popular single stack 9mm, followed by the Shield.



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      02-19-2018 05:19 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      I've actually shot the G43 a few times and I don't particularly like it.
      Have you looked at the glock 26? 10+1 double stack that’s easily concealed. Add on a +2 pinky extension, and it’s still easily concealed... I used to carry mine daily and no problems hiding under a t-shirt with a good iwb holster.

      I recently bought a G19 to carry, but once it starts to warm up outside and I'll be wearing less layers, I'll go back to the 26...

      My wife has a 42, which is nice and small... but it's too small for my hands/liking.
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      02-19-2018 07:54 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by ohiodub_99.5 View Post
      Have you looked at the glock 26? 10+1 double stack that’s easily concealed. Add on a +2 pinky extension, and it’s still easily concealed... I used to carry mine daily and no problems hiding under a t-shirt with a good iwb holster.

      I recently bought a G19 to carry, but once it starts to warm up outside and I'll be wearing less layers, I'll go back to the 26...

      My wife has a 42, which is nice and small... but it's too small for my hands/liking.
      I used to carry my G26, but I just really cannot pull off a big gun (Dress/ work constraints). I switched to the G42 because it is highly concealable, but mainly because I shoot it really well. The Talon grips and the +1 TTI base plate really helps, as does the Ghost connector.

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