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      01-11-2018 12:48 AM #26
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      Don't worry, I feel the same way about Indiana. How'd Heir Vice President's RFRA work out for ya? Yay American Taliban!
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      01-11-2018 12:59 AM #27
      The guy that owns an Audi built in Ingolstadt has a problem with the political makeup of Alabama? LMAO


      The city is in Bavaria, arguably the most conservative state in Germany. The mayor of Ingolstadt is from the Christian Socialist Union (CSU) and 44% of the town council is from the CSU. The numbers are quite similar for the state of Bavaria's representation in the Bundestag as well as the state legislature.




      *edit* Yes, I know the CDU/CSU is damn near communist when compared to the RNC/GOP in the US... but it's all relative. Ingolstadt sure as hell isn't for the SPD, let alone the Grüne, KPD or some other fringe kooks.
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      01-11-2018 01:23 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post


      Thoughtless divisiveness is one of our country’s biggest problems.
      If I recall correctly, he's a rich California lawyer. It's literally his job to look at the world in black and white terms where he's always 100% right and everyone else is always 100% wrong.

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      01-11-2018 04:10 AM #29
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      Plenty of thought went into it. Alabama represents the land of lowest common denominator. I do not support race to the bottom jurisdictions if I can avoid it. Alabama, even if there are good people there, is such a place. It also doesn't help that half the population would rather vote for someone on a registry than registered as a (D).
      Do some research before sounding ignorant. Voter turnout for Moore was pathetically low-he received just 49% of the number of votes that the POTUS received in Alabama, compared to Jones who won a stunning 94% of the number of votes that HRC won in that state. Alabama is an R+26 state, Strange or Brooks would have won by at least 15 points easily-Sessions won by 25 points in a year with very high Democratic turnout. Even without the allegations, Roy Moore was a lousy, controversial candidate who said dumb things on camera, his margin of victory would have been pitifully narrow.

      All that and the fact that he under-preformed any other candidate by 20 points is proof enough that Alabamians aren't a "basket of deplorables" who enthusiastically vote for a guy who has admitted to dating underage girls in his thirties. If Moore won the election by 30 points with an enthusiastic electorate, your argument might have a smidgen of merit. But you just sound salty, wonder why...

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      I think that's more about what a flawed candidate Roy Moore was
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      01-11-2018 08:26 AM #30
      Alabama won because they provided the best incentives to Toyota/Mazda

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      01-11-2018 09:44 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by what View Post
      Plenty of thought went into it. Alabama represents the land of lowest common denominator. I do not support race to the bottom jurisdictions if I can avoid it. Alabama, even if there are good people there, is such a place. It also doesn't help that half the population would rather vote for someone on a registry than registered as a (D).
      Here's a thought: Do you know how amazingly beneficial it has been for African Americans to have a Nissan plant near Jackson, Mississippi and a Hyundai plant in Montgomery, Alabama? Sure, these are "backwards" states in terms of low educational achievement and poor health outcomes, yet it has given economic opportunity to thousands who were previously marginalized by centuries of disenfranchisement. This means the next generation of people in those states can now afford to go to college, when they might have never had that opportunity under the status quo.

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      01-11-2018 11:00 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      If I recall correctly, he's a rich California lawyer. It's literally his job to look at the world in black and white terms where he's always 100% right and everyone else is always 100% wrong.
      That's exactly what I was talking about with the term "thoughtless divisiveness", but I didn't really think that would sink in. There's simply overwhelming confirmation bias (especially in social media) and that's all anyone seemingly wants any more. I'm just damn sick of it. Everyone knocks the '80s, but it was a time of hopefulness, more togetherness and a bright/better future. Now all we see is... Well, everything happening now.

      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      Here's a thought: Do you know how amazingly beneficial it has been for African Americans to have a Nissan plant near Jackson, Mississippi and a Hyundai plant in Montgomery, Alabama? Sure, these are "backwards" states in terms of low educational achievement and poor health outcomes, yet it has given economic opportunity to thousands who were previously marginalized by centuries of disenfranchisement. This means the next generation of people in those states can now afford to go to college, when they might have never had that opportunity under the status quo.
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      01-11-2018 11:13 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      Here's a thought: Do you know how amazingly beneficial it has been for African Americans to have a Nissan plant near Jackson, Mississippi and a Hyundai plant in Montgomery, Alabama? Sure, these are "backwards" states in terms of low educational achievement and poor health outcomes, yet it has given economic opportunity to thousands who were previously marginalized by centuries of disenfranchisement. This means the next generation of people in those states can now afford to go to college, when they might have never had that opportunity under the status quo.
      As much as I like to make fun of these states (and Ohio), this is absolutely true
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      01-11-2018 11:30 AM #34
      Can we get back on topic?

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      01-11-2018 11:41 AM #35
      good.


      maybe they can send more of the children in that state to school

      nothing bad about alabama is a surprise when you see the level of education for the state.

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      01-11-2018 12:17 PM #36
      I was reading about some of the details of the incentive package offered for the plant from NC, apparently they were offering a $1.5 billion dollar package to Toyota. I wonder what Alabama was offering. They said they chose Alabama due to supply line proximity, but Alabama had to be close to that.

      https://www.bizjournals.com/triad/ne...er-toyota.html

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      01-11-2018 12:59 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by DUBPL8 View Post
      Can we get back on topic?
      I blame the first reply in this thread. From that point on, the topic is "hyperbolic political statements without substantive support"

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      01-11-2018 12:59 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by mrothwell View Post
      I was reading about some of the details of the incentive package offered for the plant from NC, apparently they were offering a $1.5 billion dollar package to Toyota. I wonder what Alabama was offering. They said they chose Alabama due to supply line proximity, but Alabama had to be close to that.

      https://www.bizjournals.com/triad/ne...er-toyota.html
      Yeah AL is being a bit coy about the final price for incentives. That said, they definitely have the logistics advantage with the existing Corolla supply chain nearby and the engine plant a very short drive away. NC builds school buses and trucks, but no passenger car supply chain to speak of.

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      01-11-2018 01:35 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      Yeah AL is being a bit coy about the final price for incentives. That said, they definitely have the logistics advantage with the existing Corolla supply chain nearby and the engine plant a very short drive away. NC builds school buses and trucks, but no passenger car supply chain to speak of.
      GKN has 3 giant axle plants in NC, I know because I used to work there. There's also a bearing manufacturer somewhere out in the western part of the the state. The Greenville, SC area also has a solid amount of automotive manufacturing going on with BMW and Michelin.

      But yea, there's probably more supplier options in Alabama.

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      01-11-2018 02:41 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      I blame the first reply in this thread. From that point on, the topic is "hyperbolic political statements without substantive support"
      You could go even further back and blame the writer of the article itself, which makes it sound like perhaps there was some connection between Trump having supporters in the state and the factory going there.

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      The new plant -- in a state Trump won by 28 points in 2016 -- could be a political boost to the Republican president

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      01-11-2018 03:32 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      You could go even further back and blame the writer of the article itself, which makes it sound like perhaps there was some connection between Trump having supporters in the state and the factory going there.
      Some auto writers in the past have suggested Toyota had a deliberate strategy of building various facilities in as many states as possible (KY, WV, MO, TN, IN, MS) for better political clout. But with the existing engine plant in Huntsville, that idea appears to have been undermined by this decision given NC was the other finalist.

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      01-11-2018 04:15 PM #42
      Good to see some manufacturing jobs created especially in that part of the country.

      Would also love to see some green energy jobs come to Appalachia/Coal Country.

      Coal is dead and isn’t coming back and any politician promising this is just pandering.
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      01-11-2018 06:05 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by what View Post
      Plenty of thought went into it. Alabama represents the land of lowest common denominator. I do not support race to the bottom jurisdictions if I can avoid it. Alabama, even if there are good people there, is such a place. It also doesn't help that half the population would rather vote for someone on a registry than registered as a (D).


      I'm guessing you haven't spent much time outside of whatever bubble you live in.

      Having spent lots of time in Huntsville Alabama and someone who has also lived in California, I can tell you first hand that you are completely full of B.S. and yourself.

      Huntsville Alabama is WAY cleaner than LA! Huntsville also is home to Marshall Space Flight Center and where Wernher Von Braun made his home in America. Huntsville has one of the most robust economies in America even BEFORE the announcement of this auto plant.

      HSV isn't the most ideal city in the country but FFS it's a heck of a lot better than a lot of other places...

      Also to burst your bubble Alabama has 2 of the most educated cities in America

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      01-11-2018 06:29 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      Just speculation, but if pedophile guy would have won, they might have gone with NC instead.
      Um, apparently you've never seen Japanese pron and its obsession with school girls. This decision was made just PRIOR to Moore's loss. They were expecting a win.

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      01-11-2018 06:48 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by 1badMKIrocco View Post
      Huntsville also is home to Marshall Space Flight Center and where Wernher Von Braun made his home in America.
      Well that explains some of the posts I scrolled past and failed to research on the "Smarter Every Day" instagram.

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      04-11-2018 02:07 PM #46
      Japanese media is reporting that the Toyota/Mazda plant is going to come online in 2020, up from the 2021 date previously assumed,

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      04-11-2018 02:21 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by NoDubJustYet View Post
      The guy that owns an Audi built in Ingolstadt has a problem with the political makeup of Alabama? LMAO

      The city is in Bavaria, arguably the most conservative state in Germany. The mayor of Ingolstadt is from the Christian Socialist Union (CSU) and 44% of the town council is from the CSU. The numbers are quite similar for the state of Bavaria's representation in the Bundestag as well as the state legislature.

      *edit* Yes, I know the CDU/CSU is damn near communist when compared to the RNC/GOP in the US... but it's all relative. Ingolstadt sure as hell isn't for the SPD, let alone the Grüne, KPD or some other fringe kooks.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavari...election,_2018 indicates that in the 2017 federal election, the far-right AfD came in third place in Bavaria, not far behind the SPD.

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      04-11-2018 03:09 PM #48
      The Mazda SUV has to be CX-5... right? Can't think of any other candidates.

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      04-11-2018 03:23 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      The Mazda SUV has to be CX-5... right? Can't think of any other candidates.
      It's going to be a reincarnated CX-7 - a competitor to the Edge/Santa Fe/Murano in the larger 2-row CUV space.

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      04-11-2018 03:35 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      It's going to be a reincarnated CX-7 - a competitor to the Edge/Santa Fe/Murano in the larger 2-row CUV space.
      US version of the Chinese CX-4 or a totally new model?


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