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      05-03-2017 11:41 PM #1


      via Motor1
      Far from being the prettiest model in BMW’s extensive lineup, the second-generation 1 Series on sale since late 2011 received a comprehensive facelift early 2015, but it’s still not what many would call a handsome hatchback. Thankfully, the Bavarians are cooking up a successor and today we are able to bring the first set of spy shots depicting the all-new model.

      Despite the swirly camouflage applied onto the extra fake panels, already it is noticeable BMW’s new entry-level model will have a sleeker shape. Basically everything has changed, from the shape of the headlights and taillights to the car’s proportions. The wheelbase has likely been stretched taking into account the rear doors appear to be slightly longer than those of the current model. It means the overhauled 1 Series will be more spacious inside the cabin, especially for people sitting on the rear seats.

      The modifications brought by the third generation are going to be skin deep considering many rumors are indicating the hatchback will no longer be rear-wheel drive. Indeed, it is believed the next 1 Series will utilize to the UKL platform as the 2 Series Active Tourer & Gran Tourer minivan duo, so it will come as standard with a FWD setup.

      It remains to be seen whether this demotion will affect sales of the car, although we have a strong feeling it won’t be the case since a study conducted back in 2010 revealed 80 percent of 1 Series owners believed the car had a FWD setup. Perhaps people are more knowledgeable now than they were seven years ago, but it’s unlikely this switch will take its toll on customer demand for BMW’s smallest car. After all, there are many people that simply don’t care about whether the car they’re driving is FWD, RWD, or AWD. Not only that, but sales of the two aforementioned MPVs are great, so why should things be any different with the 1 Series?

      Keep in mind that not all 1 Series models are going to be FWD as the more expensive ones will come with an all-paw xDrive setup. By riding on the UKL platform, BMW’s most affordable car will be powered by a wide array of three- and four-cylinder turbocharged engines, so the M140i will likely lose its beefy six-cylinder unit.

      With this being only the first batch of spy shots, it means the next 1 Series won’t come out in the near future. Chances are BMW will introduce the new generation towards the end of 2018 or early 2019. Meanwhile, the current-gen car will soon get a discreet second facelift. Watch this space for spy images of the lightly revised car, but don’t hold your breath for any drastic changes.







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      05-03-2017 11:42 PM #2


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      After the X1 and 2 Series Active Tourer & Gran Tourer minivans, yet another BMW is preparing to land with a front-wheel-drive layout. The second generation of the brand’s entry-level model has been around since way back in 2011, so it doesn’t come as a surprise this partially camouflaged prototype of the all-new car already has most of the production parts.

      If you look closely at the body, you’ll see there are extra panels slapped onto the real metal and plastic using black rivets. That represents BMW’s way of saying it’s not willing just yet to show us the goods. The same thing can be said about the taillights, which are provisional at this point, although the final shape of the clusters will likely remain the same. Despite the heavy disguise and some temporary bits, already we can tell the new 1 Series will represent a major departure in terms of design when compared to the current car.

      It’s not just the styling that has changed, but also the hatchback’s proportions. It appears to be wider and longer than today’s 1 Series and that will translate into a more spacious cabin also helped by the switch to a FWD layout. While the prototype spotted three weeks ago was a normal version, now we might be looking at a hotter version taking into account the front blue brake calipers, lowered sports suspension, and the dual exhaust tips at the back where there also seems to be a prominent roof spoiler. The disguise applied onto the front bumper could be there to mask a pair of beefier vents.

      If this is indeed a higher-spec model, it might just be the new M140i. Besides the obvious changes, there is going to be one other major difference between the old and the new. Since the next-gen 1 Series will get the UKL platform, it means the straight-six engine of the outgoing model will have to make way for a smaller four-cylinder unit likely hooked up exclusively to an xDrive setup.

      There’s still a lot of testing that needs to be done, so don’t expect the new BMW 1 Series to come out in the near future. Our guess is the second half of 2018. It’s not known at this point whether the three-door version will live to see a new generation or if the sedan will finally be sold outside China.

      Meanwhile, recent spy shots have shown the current 1 Series will get a second facelift, albeit this time around the changes will be minimal when compared to the previous and rather drastic refresh.

      If you want a small RWD hatchback with a raspy six-cylinder engine, hurry up as time is running out.










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      Is this what the X1 is based on? Those are decidedly rare here, but that looks about the same size.
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      05-03-2017 11:45 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Is this what the X1 is based on? Those are decidedly rare here, but that looks about the same size.
      Yup, same platform as the X1/2-Series GT and AT/new MINIs

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      05-03-2017 11:47 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Is this what the X1 is based on? Those are decidedly rare here, but that looks about the same size.
      A Mk2 X1 shares its platform with Mini Countryman and 2-series Active Tourer.

      A new 1-series is going to be based on a whole new platform.

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      05-03-2017 11:47 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      Yup, same platform as the X1/2-Series GT and AT/some new MINIs



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      05-03-2017 11:48 PM #9
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      A new 1-series is going to be based on a whole new platform.
      No, it will be on UKL.
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      05-03-2017 11:51 PM #10
      Eh, RWD is over-rated for basic daily driver car type cars like this. Lots of benefits to FWD (cost, weight, packaging, efficiency, etc.)

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      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.

    13. 05-03-2017 11:56 PM #12
      BMW continues to shoot itself in the foot. Front wheel drive? Really?
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      05-04-2017 12:01 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by dr whos it View Post
      BMW continues to shoot itself in the foot. Front wheel drive? Really?
      Someone needs to start purging the management that only care about beans and marketing! ASAP!

      Why bother buying an expensive brand when you can by a GTI that does the job just as well for far less money?
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      05-04-2017 12:03 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
      Okay, that is funny

      Quote Originally Posted by dr whos it View Post
      BMW continues to shoot itself in the foot. Front wheel drive? Really?
      Someone needs to start purging the management that only care about beans and marketing! ASAP!
      BMW already sells multiple FWD models.

      The currently China-only 1-Series sedan:



      The 2-Series Active Tourer:



      The 2-Series Gran Tourer:



      The X1:



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      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Because VWs are for poor people.

      Oh, that must be why BMW sales are DOWN!

      I would bet that some have defected to VW, and now with BMW continuing to move away from it's "excellence in engineering" roots more
      defections can be expected. BMW is going to be eating a lot of CROW in the future.

      BMW manglement need a shake up IMMEDIATELY.

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      05-04-2017 12:09 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by dr whos it View Post
      Oh, that must be why BMW sales are DOWN!

      I would bet that some have defected to VW, and now with BMW continuing to move away from it's "excellence in engineering" roots more
      defections can be expected. BMW is going to be eating a lot of CROW in the future.

      BMW manglement need a shake up IMMEDIATELY.
      TBH I see way more new generation X1s then I do MK7s. They lease well, and are actually a nice package inside. Not my cup of tea, but they made the right move making them FWD IMO.

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      05-04-2017 12:09 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by dr whos it View Post
      Oh, that must be why BMW sales are DOWN!

      I would bet that some have defected to VW, and now with BMW continuing to move away from it's "excellence in engineering" roots more
      defections can be expected. BMW is going to be eating a lot of CROW in the future.

      BMW manglement need a shake up IMMEDIATELY.
      you sound like you're over 60.
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    20. 05-04-2017 12:22 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      you sound like you're over 60.

      No, I am squarely in the target demographic. BMW is forsaking their true heritage for some lease volume to very fickle
      market segments. They'll lease one, and then move on to the next trendy thing.

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      05-04-2017 12:35 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by dr whos it View Post

      BMW manglement need a shake up IMMEDIATELY.

      I doubt it.
      There's no turning back.
      BMW is going to go full retard.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dr whos it View Post
      BMW is forsaking their true heritage
      BMW have abandoned their "true heritage" after they stopped making airplane engines and instead focused on stuff that makes money.

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      05-04-2017 12:48 AM #22
      M135i/M140i's are everywhere here. Not sure, but it looks like most of them are RWD's, not AWD's. Of course, as it is the only RWD hatch, in a way there's no competition for it. But when they change all of the enthusiast 1er models to AWD, it opens up possibilities to customers to check out how the hot hatch Audis and Mercs look like.

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      Quote Originally Posted by J-Tim View Post
      BMW have abandoned their "true heritage" after they stopped making airplane engines and instead focused on stuff that makes money.
      There's nothing wrong with making money. BMW also made money when they made cars that where engaging to drive.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      you sound like you're over 60.
      Then I must sound like I'm 92.
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      05-04-2017 01:51 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by dr whos it View Post
      Oh, that must be why BMW sales are DOWN!

      I would bet that some have defected to VW, and now with BMW continuing to move away from it's "excellence in engineering" roots more
      defections can be expected. BMW is going to be eating a lot of CROW in the future.

      BMW manglement need a shake up IMMEDIATELY.
      I'm sorry, who are you again? FWIW, I was only half joking.
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