As a tree hugger, I would love it if the EPA also had authority to regulate impacts to climate change (e.g. CO2). I said in the first post the current regulatory situation wasn't logical. But we can't even get law makers to agree with scientists that climate change is real and caused by CO2. And it's certainly not going to change in the next 4 years.
Okay, so we can't go and say that the EPA should do anything at this point, they did their part and VW can't make these cars right due to the costs. It is a false argument to say that these VWs are more or less pollutant than another vehicle, they cannot be brought to a proper condition to pass the test made for them. That's key, they have to pass the test designed for them, not a standard for another vehicle in another class, that is irrelevant to the case.
So, VW can't profitably make the vehicles right and the EPA has no right to change the standard/test for these cars. Other car makers have to pass this test, they can't change the rules just for VW. That would open a door that other makes would try and go through in the future.
Lastly, look at the pictures of all of those cars. That's VW's fault, a fault of leadership and they should and will bare the burden of what to do with them. The ship has sailed as far as getting them back on the road. VW confirmed that wasn't a good idea from the get go, so I would let that notion go, it's an unworkable path.
Last edited by BUJonathan; 03-22-2017 at 06:03 PM.
Let them eat cake...
Plus, when I bought mine in 2015, they were offering nice discounts on the TDIs since gas had dropped so much, people didn't care as much about fuel economy.
I agree that penalties against VW are stiff, but I don't think they are out of line. They defrauded a lot of people, intentionally. People like to bring up the GM ignition recall, and how it killed people. While that too is awful, GM did not set out to create a faulty ignition, they made a cost/benefit analysis of the issue once it was discovered, and people died as a result. I feel GM should have been punished more, but it does not compare to what VW did.
Does this all make me want to walk away from the car? I still haven't decided, but right now, I am leaning towards the fix on mine. There is not a single car on the market that can offer everything my Golf wagon does.
I don't think the guy has any idea of what "in fact" means. A TDI is not "in fact" worse for the environment than a Ford Raptor.
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Again, I explained several times what the EPA is legally allowed to do isn't always logical since they can't directly regulate CO2, and expanded my comments on CO2 later on so you could better understand where I'm coming from. I'm not saying CO2 emissions are unimportant. But the EPA can't regulate them directly, so it's a moot point for discussion. CAFE regulations however do restrict how many gas guzzlers an OEM like Ford can produce. If you have more to respond to or need clarification on what I wrote, please do it over PM.
Last edited by BUJonathan; 03-22-2017 at 08:55 PM.
Wow, I always wondered where they are taking them...such a sad thing to look at. There are some awesome cars in that yard but not good enough for the US consumer. I hope they take them all to Europe and make a nice profit from selling them or their parts, except the US Passat, they can go ahead and burn that.
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If our government had consensus that CO2 causes global warming we would have a wider adoption of BEVs and PHEVs, and a stronger push at the federal level to invest in charging infrastructure. Ironically, that's perhaps the best thing to come out of Dieselgate: VW is being forced to spend money on "green" vehicle technologies, so they're rolling out charging stations. Since VW uses the SAE standard plug, a wider range of BEV owners should be able to use the stations.
Same thing in Tampa
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It appears the city of Pontiac is fining the owner of the Silverdome for not getting the proper permits to park thousands of VW TDI's. Ooops!!
so, with such a large parking lot, what do they do with the keys and other car related documents? Do they leave them in the car? do they put them under the fender? is there a safety box outside where all the keys are held like at a valet place?
I can't wait to see some VWs fixed and back on the road, so I can buy a few for cheap
Last edited by G60 Carat; 03-24-2017 at 08:07 AM.
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If everyone stayed on the originally stated schedule, it should be known if there is a Gen 1 fix approval (which affects most of the bought-back cars) a week from now, although the drop-dead deadline isn't until sometime in 2018. I suspect reality will be somewhere in between - a couple months from now.
If VW has dreams of fixing and reselling all or most of these cars, they've got a hard lesson in supply and demand coming. I strongly suspect that only the later and lower-mileage models in good condition (the ones with the highest foreseen resale value) will ever be fixed and sold. The rest will be crusher food.