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      11-09-2016 08:25 AM #26
      I ran a manual transmission Volvo 744 turbo through two snowy Nebraska winters. On decent all-season tires, it was great in the winter, and I share your preference for RWD. More fun and more challenging, but with narrow tires and good ground clearance, I had no big issues with it as a winter car. I think I paid $75 for this car 10 years ago and had to re-wire most of the fusebox since it had melted down prior to my purchase.

      After buying new tires, prancing moose stickers, and the wiring fixes, I think I had a total of $450 in it. It was a tank, great car.

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      11-09-2016 10:18 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      What's wrong with the japanese plushies? With being as specific as "~$1500" and "rwd" those are some of the best options taking reliability into account.

      The original grill less q45 and the SC were always neat cars at the least.
      Nothing at all, hence why I included them.
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      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      I find it ironic that long time Euro brand fans would assume long term reliability issues would destroy any love of a unique product.

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      11-09-2016 12:38 PM #28
      Wow, that one owner e36 is awesome. I remember changing the cam sensor in mine as being one of the easiest repairs I've done to it.

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      11-09-2016 03:00 PM #29
      96-02 v6 camarobird maybe? The 3800 is a tank.

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      11-09-2016 08:24 PM #31
      A volvo 240 with legit snow tires and a working heater/fan is a tank in the snow.

      Everything else on that list? Nope.

      Subaru with EJ22/5 speed. 1/2G Legacy. Do not care about if it's a bucket.

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      11-09-2016 08:56 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Numbersix View Post
      A volvo 240 with legit snow tires and a working heater/fan is a tank in the snow.

      Everything else on that list? Nope.

      Subaru with EJ22/5 speed. 1/2G Legacy. Do not care about if it's a bucket.
      After seeing an otherwise-mint (it was green, too!) late-model Volvo 245 go by the wayside due to aging electrons, I cannot second that statement. The owner (a friend of mine) was a diehard Volvoista - she was 32 at the time, and had only owned 2 cars, both 245's, up to that point. Yes, she's a college professor . But more to the point, the repeatedly-intermittent stalling problem stumped even the most heartiest of European Volvo gurus in the area, that she simply threw up her hands and traded it in on a Prius.

      With a car that old, you run the risk of old-car problems just by how long it has been on this earth. That said, I'd have some fun and get the Bimmer

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      11-09-2016 09:28 PM #33
      88c900t wins again, you really ****ing crush it at listing a ton of cheap options, I salute the sub-$8k wagon approach!
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      11-09-2016 10:58 PM #34
      A 3rd Gen Supra is actually a really good idea. My neighbour had one as his winter sled but took the top off for the summer. Never had issues. Except the turbo blew up at 230k km, but yeah.

      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      11-09-2016 11:40 PM #35
      Suby Ej22/5MT

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      11-10-2016 01:21 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by l88m22vette View Post
      88c900t wins again, you really ****ing crush it at listing a ton of cheap options, I salute the sub-$8k wagon approach!

      That's what I'm here for




      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      A 3rd Gen Supra is actually a really good idea. My neighbour had one as his winter sled but took the top off for the summer. Never had issues. Except the turbo blew up at 230k km, but yeah.
      Even though it's mechanically similar to the Cressida, I posted the 3rd gen Supra as far more examples still exist, and you can even choose a 5 speed if you want. For a 1980s car, 140K miles isn't a bad turbo lifespan, I honestly think the N/A's 200 HP is perfectly fine, though. (my 300ZX has only 160 when running properly )
      Typical forum guy with busted third-hand cars.
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      I like this guy, I like this guy a lot.
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      88c900t wins again, you really ****ing crush it at listing a ton of cheap options
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      You'll always get a pass due to your history of owning classy and sophisticated automobiles

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      11-10-2016 09:33 AM #37
      I've attempted to drive a MkIII Supra in the winter. Terrible plan. Now, I didn't have snows, but that thing, while huge, seemed so light in the rear end. Honestly, I felt like my fox was better in the snow due to the skinnier tires and more connected feeling.

      I'd recommend the A8.

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      11-10-2016 01:50 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Crispyfritter View Post
      I've attempted to drive a MkIII Supra in the winter. Terrible plan.


      Now, I didn't have snows,
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      I don't trust the judgment of anyone who likes black wheels.
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      I find it ironic that long time Euro brand fans would assume long term reliability issues would destroy any love of a unique product.

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      11-11-2016 12:46 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post




      Lol
      Typical forum guy with busted third-hand cars.
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      I like this guy, I like this guy a lot.
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      88c900t wins again, you really ****ing crush it at listing a ton of cheap options
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      11-11-2016 10:00 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by GoHomePossum View Post
      Stick shift mustangs are unstoppable snow machines
      Damn straight! I don't even change my wheels and tires out. It's flat here and we only have snow physically on the road a few days a year.

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      11-11-2016 10:43 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by rpmk4-2.0 View Post
      Damn straight! I don't even change my wheels and tires out. It's flat here and we only have snow physically on the road a few days a year.
      Do you also have temps above 40 degrees?
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      11-11-2016 12:38 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Do you also have temps above 40 degrees?

      Quite a few. Here is our low and high averages.

      Jan 18.5°F 34.5°F
      Feb 22.5°F 39.9°F

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      11-11-2016 11:57 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by rpmk4-2.0 View Post
      Quite a few. Here is our low and high averages.

      Jan 18.5°F 34.5°F
      Feb 22.5°F 39.9°F
      Anything short of all-weather tires are no bueno below ~7 celsius. Keep that in mind.
      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      11-12-2016 11:08 AM #44
      I was delayed on the 240 and will be seeing it today. The Audi I will also be checking out today. I emailed the A8 owner on Wednesday and he said he would get back with me today, he got called out of town for work and took the A8, so the ad was taken down until he gets back.


      I had a MK3 Supra a few years ago with 306k miles. Not planning on buying another cheap cheap targa Supra. I want a good example next time that hopefully doesn't leave me with a wet ass after some rain. Nobody likes a wet ass.
      Previously Owned: 96 Discovery/65 Corvair/93 Corolla Wagon/89 LeSabre/96 Camry/99 Regal GS/95 Accord/98 C-SVT/90 LS400/89 Supra/91 Legacy SS/01 CVPI/92 Mark VII/87 200SX/90 325i/03 TL-S/98 SC2/00 JGC/02 Forester/95 LS400/95 Audi 90/01 Jetta VR6/93 LS400/96 Camry/00 Cavalier/06 Speed6/92 190E/04 Accord/95 & 05 Civic/01 Cavalier/97 Bravada
      Current: 97 Volvo S90+99 Civic

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      11-13-2016 10:18 PM #45
      Update:

      A8 is gone as far as i know. He won't get back with me.
      Mercedes owner won't answer his phone.
      GS300 is gone.
      Volvo 240 was in really good condition for its age. Well taken care of, owned by an older gentleman that bought it for his daughter in 2012. Very little rust, but my only issue it's slow as balls. It might be in the same bracket as my 190, I loved everything about that, except the performance.

      Now, I might be picking up this 960. Going to see it tomorrow after work, owner said him and his son put about a 100k on it. Son was the last driver before he bought a BMW, so this car sat in the garage for the last year or so, definitely will need a battery and tires.

      http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/5852265904.html


      Then, this XC popped up this morning. If it runs and if I can get the 960 cheap, I may buy both.
      http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/5874823407.html


      Option 2: P71
      A few years ago I bought an 01 P71 dirty cheap, and to this day, I think it was the best winter beater I ever owned. Didn't even need snow tires (already had a good set of all-seasons), never got stuck during that MI winter once.

      Found this earlier, if the 960 don't work out, I'll pick this up on the way back. Either way, I need to bring a battery with me.
      http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5874669020.html
      Previously Owned: 96 Discovery/65 Corvair/93 Corolla Wagon/89 LeSabre/96 Camry/99 Regal GS/95 Accord/98 C-SVT/90 LS400/89 Supra/91 Legacy SS/01 CVPI/92 Mark VII/87 200SX/90 325i/03 TL-S/98 SC2/00 JGC/02 Forester/95 LS400/95 Audi 90/01 Jetta VR6/93 LS400/96 Camry/00 Cavalier/06 Speed6/92 190E/04 Accord/95 & 05 Civic/01 Cavalier/97 Bravada
      Current: 97 Volvo S90+99 Civic

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      Quote Originally Posted by Geechie_Suede View Post
      Update:

      A8 is gone as far as i know. He won't get back with me.
      Mercedes owner won't answer his phone.
      GS300 is gone.
      Volvo 240 was in really good condition for its age. Well taken care of, owned by an older gentleman that bought it for his daughter in 2012. Very little rust, but my only issue it's slow as balls. It might be in the same bracket as my 190, I loved everything about that, except the performance.

      Now, I might be picking up this 960. Going to see it tomorrow after work, owner said him and his son put about a 100k on it. Son was the last driver before he bought a BMW, so this car sat in the garage for the last year or so, definitely will need a battery and tires.

      http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/5852265904.html


      Then, this XC popped up this morning. If it runs and if I can get the 960 cheap, I may buy both.
      http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/5874823407.html


      Option 2: P71
      A few years ago I bought an 01 P71 dirty cheap, and to this day, I think it was the best winter beater I ever owned. Didn't even need snow tires (already had a good set of all-seasons), never got stuck during that MI winter once.

      Found this earlier, if the 960 don't work out, I'll pick this up on the way back. Either way, I need to bring a battery with me.
      http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5874669020.html

      Told you 240s are slow Of the options I honestly trust the 960 alot more, but the xc70 is a better price. The P71 could be fun if it has a LSD, and it should be the cheapest to own.


      Edit: wow, top end and transmission rebuilt? That alone would make me buy the P71, and it's by far the newest. The price isn't even bad. It's a salvage title, but who cares at that price point.
      Last edited by 88c900t; 11-13-2016 at 10:30 PM.
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      11-13-2016 10:33 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      Told you 240s are slow Of the options I honestly trust the 960 alot more, but the xc70 is a better price. The P71 could be fun if it has a LSD, and it should be the cheapest to own.


      Edit: wow, top end and transmission rebuilt? That alone would make me buy the P71, and it's by far the newest. The price isn't even bad. It's a salvage title, but who cares at that price point.
      Pretty sure they all had LSD, and it may not be salvage. Municipal vehicles here all have orange titles.
      Previously Owned: 96 Discovery/65 Corvair/93 Corolla Wagon/89 LeSabre/96 Camry/99 Regal GS/95 Accord/98 C-SVT/90 LS400/89 Supra/91 Legacy SS/01 CVPI/92 Mark VII/87 200SX/90 325i/03 TL-S/98 SC2/00 JGC/02 Forester/95 LS400/95 Audi 90/01 Jetta VR6/93 LS400/96 Camry/00 Cavalier/06 Speed6/92 190E/04 Accord/95 & 05 Civic/01 Cavalier/97 Bravada
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      Lincoln LS omg yes.

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      11-13-2016 11:03 PM #49
      Love the Volvos, predictably. 960 will be a tank, you'll love it. Cheap to repair, insanely durable. That one is overpriced, can get that for half the price. 850/x70/P2 wheels will work on that car, so many P2 wheels used for cheap with decent tires. Interference engine so make sure timing belt/tensioners are good.

      On the V70XC, make sure you know what you're getting into. Still love them but needier than the 960. The Classic Red is rare and amazeballs on the V70XC!
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      11-13-2016 11:17 PM #50
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