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      07-20-2013 02:55 PM #1
      Did anybody here go to Waterfest and get the details on the TT-RS APR Stage 3, including snapshots of dyno curves, power on 91/93 pump fuel, pricing, release dates, etc?

      Also any details on the 2-disc carbon clutch would be swell.

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      07-20-2013 03:35 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by Marty View Post
      Did anybody here go to Waterfest and get the details on the TT-RS APR Stage 3, including snapshots of dyno curves, power on 91/93 pump fuel, pricing, release dates, etc?

      Also any details on the 2-disc carbon clutch would be swell.
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    4. 07-20-2013 06:43 PM #3
      Yes, I thought we would definitely see some details posted by now with the "hints" which were posted this past week about Waterfest and APR's fabeled Stage 3 for the Audi TT-RS finally seeing the light of day (publicly) :-)

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      07-20-2013 08:25 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by hightechrdn View Post
      Yes, I thought we would definitely see some details posted by now with the "hints" which were posted this past week about Waterfest and APR's fabeled Stage 3 for the Audi TT-RS finally seeing the light of day (publicly) :-)
      You'd think there's be some public announcement coinciding with the first day, but surprisingly, nothing.

      I hope someone reports back.

    7. 07-20-2013 09:43 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Marty View Post
      You'd think there's be some public announcement coinciding with the first day, but surprisingly, nothing.

      I hope someone reports back.
      $11,700, 700 bhp on 100 octane.

      I believe 638whp was the highest recorded, Ernie would know.

      The pump gas map is well over 500whp IIRC. We had the TTRS HPFP on sale too.

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      07-20-2013 09:47 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      $11,700, 700 bhp on 100 octane.

      I believe 638whp was the highest recorded, Ernie would know.

      The pump gas map is well over 500whp IIRC. We had the TTRS HPFP on sale too.
      Thanks. Shipping when? Intercooler sold separately? Clutch sold separately? HPFP sold separately?

    9. 07-20-2013 10:08 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      $11,700, 700 bhp on 100 octane.

      I believe 638whp was the highest recorded, Ernie would know.

      The pump gas map is well over 500whp IIRC. We had the TTRS HPFP on sale too.

      HPFP is interesting considering comments in the past made about the Loba HPFP by APR.

      Some actual details would be great, so that we don't have to speculate...

    10. 07-20-2013 10:56 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      $11,700, 700 bhp on 100 octane.

      I believe 638whp was the highest recorded, Ernie would know.

      The pump gas map is well over 500whp IIRC. We had the TTRS HPFP on sale too.

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      07-21-2013 02:27 PM #13
      I was at Waterfest yesterday with my son. The TTRS Stage 3 looks awesome. My TTRS is at Stage 2 at the moment but maybe Stage 3 will be on my agenda
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      07-21-2013 02:45 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by hightechrdn View Post
      HPFP is interesting considering comments in the past made about the Loba HPFP by APR.
      At significantly higher power levels, it's necessary.

      Full details to come, including pricing, power, etc.

      Graphs at the show were with the stock intake and stock pancake pipe.

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      07-21-2013 03:46 PM #15
      So the description says turn key and someone also mentioned $12000. Sounds like it should come with a clutch, HPFP and all the other required bits to go from stock to stage 3(labor not included)?

    18. 07-21-2013 04:31 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by CarbonRS View Post
      So the description says turn key and someone also mentioned $12000. Sounds like it should come with a clutch, HPFP and all the other required bits to go from stock to stage 3(labor not included)?
      reading between the lines it seems you may also need to purchase a hpfp +/- upgraded clutch.

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      07-21-2013 04:32 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by CarbonRS View Post
      So the description says turn key and someone also mentioned $12000. Sounds like it should come with a clutch, HPFP and all the other required bits to go from stock to stage 3(labor not included)?
      And intercooler!

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      07-21-2013 04:46 PM #18
      The Kit requires the HPFP. To save you cost, we excluded it from the kit so we could offer it in two forms and eliminate inventory issues in house, at our dealers and overseas:

      1. New pump with APR Internals
      2. Rebuild your own pump with APR Internals

      I expect most to take route two because it removes the unnecessary expense of buying a brand new pump (you already own one). You just need to ship it to us, we'll rebuild it, test it, and send it back. It works just like our 2.0T FSI fuel pump program. However, some may not be able to participate in the rebuild (especially those overseas) so a new pump option is available.

      The kit fits without the APR intercooler but running it without the intercooler would be foolish. The factory intercooler will heat soak quickly and your power will suffer.

      We'll have clutch solutions at the time of purchase. During development some were fine for a while, but eventually slipped, especially on a loaded dyno. Every 6MT customer should expect and budget for a clutch upgrade.

      The kit does not require an intake. All power figures were collected with the factory unit. We showed the VWR intake at the show.

      The Pancake pipe upgrade we have was not used to collect power data. That information will be available in the near future.

      The kit will include a downpipe, but will require a midpipe. (This is the long straight pipe under the car connecting the pipe coming off the turbo to the catback muffler area). APR Downpipe and turboback customers already have this middle pipe. You can use the stock catback, but I'd recommend upgrading to our RSC turboback exhaust as this is what we used during our development.

      As with our other kits, we'll have the option to chose two different Motul Lubrication oil and coolant and filter packages at checkout. These items are required for an install since the oil and coolant must be drained and we package all of this at a discounted price.

      I know many will have questions and I'm in the process of producing all of the marketing data which will cover most everything. Please pardon me if I don't get to answer everything quickly in the next few days.
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      07-21-2013 04:51 PM #19
      what kind of gains could we expect with the intake in stage 1/2/3 cars?
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      07-21-2013 05:08 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by YYC Dubber View Post
      what kind of gains could we expect with the intake in stage 1/2/3 cars?
      We may need to conduct more testing in this area and I will need to check with engineering to ensure I have the latest data. From what I recall, early testing with ideal entrances, thus no filter and the most ideal way to get air into the engine, showed no measurable gain at stage 1 or 2. Intakes likewise also echoed the same results - same or worse than stock.

      Our latest production stage 2 calibrations nearly max out what the turbo is capable of producing, which may introduce some restriction in the system. I need to verify with engineering if the intake was tested at these power levels or not. likely, the intake can serve as something that looks good, sounds good, or could provide some heat shielding shielding beyond that of the OEM for prolonged benefits not easily noticeable on the dyno. But as far as 'big' power gains as some have claimed, I'm not buying it.

      At stage 3 power levels we did test the ideal entrance again and it did produce more power the further we went to towards redline. If I recall correctly, it was enough to max out around 650+ WHP on race fuel, up about 20 WHP in some areas. However, keep in mind this was with an ideal entrance, thus no filter. When I'm back in the office I can check the numbers again.

      We'll conduct testing with the VWR and Carbonio systems to see if they do produce any worthwhile results at stage 3 power levels. The VWR intake is a system that can be sold today if one were to want it. The Carbonio however is not for sale as we have not given Carbonio the thumbs up yet, and their lead times are rather lengthy. This begs the question, if it didn't produce a lot of power, would you still be interested for the other reasons mentioned above?

    23. 07-21-2013 05:28 PM #21
      So if I am reading this correctly then we are looking at the following

      $12,000 - The base kit
      + Install
      + Clutch Upgrade/install
      + Intercooler/install
      + HPFP Upgrade/install
      + Oil Kit

      Rough estimate - $21000-$22000

      I am guessing that there will not be a ton of owners that decide to do this at this cost, but I could be completely wrong.

      Also no offense to APR but after the whole tune fiasco, I am guessing a lot of owners will be very hesitant to jump right into it no matter the cost. Imagine if we had the same amount of issues with the stage 3 kit as we did with the tune. With that amount of power and the number of items swapped out, it would wipe out our engines.

      If I do decide to do this (and that is a big if at this cost) I would for sure wait 6 months or more to let others be the testers.
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      07-21-2013 05:41 PM #22
      The Stage 3 kit's software was written by the same new engineers that fixed the stage 1/2's software's throttle closure issue, which did not threaten the engines health in any way. The issue was related to a calculation error within the ecu caused by producing loads of torque and boost down low. That's all fixed and putting smiles on peoples faces.

      Rest assured, they've spent a long time on the software and have dug deeper into it more than any stage 3 software we've had in the past. You could say the guys working on it are a bit obsessive. It results in product delays, but it's resulting in absolute perfection.

      No oil kits are necessary. We've track tested our kit at extreme temperatures many times. It's not necessary.

    25. 07-21-2013 07:13 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by croman44 View Post

      Rough estimate - $21000-$22000
      i was going to guess 20k or so as well prior to the pre-release but you just never know.

      if i wanted a car THAT quick, i would likely just get a warranty-backed 2012 GT-R and be done with it for that price. slapping a stage3 kit on the TT would be pretty damn fun as well.

      will be interesting to see who does it first and posts some vids to watch.


    26. 07-21-2013 07:31 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by canuckttrs View Post
      i was going to guess 20k or so as well prior to the pre-release but you just never know.

      if i wanted a car THAT quick, i would likely just get a warranty-backed 2012 GT-R and be done with it for that price. slapping a stage3 kit on the TT would be pretty damn fun as well.

      will be interesting to see who does it first and posts some vids to watch.

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      07-21-2013 07:44 PM #25
      That's going to be exciting!

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