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      11-12-2011 06:28 PM #26
      Another thought, even though the topic is dead. A poorly done solder, with too much heat, will increase the resistance in the joint. If you're going to solder, it needs to be done right. Same way a properly crimped butt connector, with proper tools, will work fine if it's done right.
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      11-17-2011 12:46 AM #27
      people need to understand their materials. People end up using whatever they can get locally and sometimes the flux is to aggressive and will eat the copper over time and this will be hidden under shrink wrap. For all the cable repairs I do at work, i NEVER crimp to extend wires or solder. Connections are repinned using the correct tools. If i was going to shave a bay, i would use this method. I am IPC certified for joint standards and cabling and inspection.

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      11-17-2011 05:47 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by poopie View Post
      people need to understand their materials. People end up using whatever they can get locally and sometimes the flux is to aggressive and will eat the copper over time and this will be hidden under shrink wrap. For all the cable repairs I do at work, i NEVER crimp to extend wires or solder. Connections are repinned using the correct tools. If i was going to shave a bay, i would use this method. I am IPC certified for joint standards and cabling and inspection.

      so you build an extension harness or run an entirely new wire or instead of soldering or crimp connecting you just add a connector? i dont think the OP wants to add a connector everywhere he needs to make wire connection. maybe explain your method a little better cause i dont follow.

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      11-18-2011 08:32 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by bluidgti View Post
      so you build an extension harness or run an entirely new wire or instead of soldering or crimp connecting you just add a connector? i dont think the OP wants to add a connector everywhere he needs to make wire connection. maybe explain your method a little better cause i dont follow.
      Like I said, I already did the tuck, but I do have to say I didn't think of pinning until I was pretty much done with the wires. If I did it again, I would pin everything that didn't need to be extended, and solder the rest.



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      01-30-2012 07:53 PM #32
      If I have to use butt connectors I never tin the wires first before crimping.
      You cannot crimp the tinned wires properly to sustain a good grip!

      Remeber Crimping is a pressure grip that squeezes the softer copper wires to create a join.

      I prefer to dip the tip of wire in flux first, then crimp the wires to the connector THEN solder wires AFTER I crimp.
      I then shrink wrap the join (and head of the female connetor to protect from shorts).
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      01-30-2012 08:06 PM #33
      Can anyone reccomend a good open barrel ratcheting crimper for oem connectors for 0.35 wire connectors upwards?

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      01-31-2012 04:01 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by need_a_VR6 View Post
      How much are you willing to spend?
      I don't want to go with a crazy expensive one. I think $150 max should be more than enough. I've seen the professional $500 ones but I couldn't justify the cost of anything like that.

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      01-31-2012 07:54 AM #36
      It depends which OEM connectors you're talking about, most crimpers in the $100+ range are very specific to one type of contact. For the Junior Power Timer female terminals, which cover most mk2 and mk3 harnesses, this is the setup I use:



      TOOL-00899 crimp frame
      TOOL-00927 crimp die for AMP Junior Power Timer female terminals

      http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/ind...th/111_112_171

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      01-31-2012 08:04 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Afazz View Post

      TOOL-00899 crimp frame
      TOOL-00927 crimp die for AMP Junior Power Timer female terminals

      http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/ind...th/111_112_171
      Nice piece of kit.

      I'd be mainly working with MK2/3/4 wiring looms and mostly MK4.

      When I can't crimp something I usually end up resorting to the massive bundles of looms I have where I can strip already crimped wires and connectors out of. But I think it would be great to be able to crimp properly rather than using a cheap crappy generic crimper as I don't like using cheap spade or bullet type connectors.

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      01-31-2012 02:12 PM #38
      Fully shaved bay with full harness extension. Soldered all my connections. Aside from butt connectors scaring me good luck fitting that mess anywhere! They add a ton of volume.

    13. 07-05-2019 06:55 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by jarlsberg View Post
      Hey so the bay is finally done: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...y-build-thread

      I'll let ya'll know if there are any problems regarding the solder joints

      How did the soldered wiring hold up? How about a long-term datapoint for the solder vs crimp debate.

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