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    1. Angry Administrator nater's Avatar
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      08-31-2011 07:15 PM #1
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      Listed as an oil filter housing for Q7 and Toureg 3.6L and 3.2L. Seen at worldimpex.com
      Applications include:
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      2006 Volkswagen Touareg 3.6L Base V6 BMX


      In speaking with my local VW parts guy he said he looked at the pictures of the new Q7 part (year 2012) and the 06-08 3.6L passat and saw that they are "completely different".

      Now, I haven't looked at either because I can't see a picture anywhere on the internet. But I NEED to find a way to make this housing work.

      The part that user JBallou says has been updated includes a new check valve that combats the dry start up worries. He speaks of it on this post in the 3.6L failure thread: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post70965422

      Trust me, dry start up noise that you hear is that of your bearings making noise. How do I know? Well, the same noise I heard upon start up was the noise I heard when I spun my bearing. This can't be good for the motor and I'm sure it's only going to make my motor spin it's new bearings I just put in (spun 2 of them....cylinder 4 and 6).

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      09-02-2011 12:25 AM #2
      It sounds like a different housing than the q7, but it could have a check valve. That is what really matters a check valve. Do yourself a win and order the part, save the reciept. Then give it a good hands on and see if it has a check valve. Thats what you need to do. If no way to keep the oil up in the upper parts of the motor with some fancy valve or wierd passage, send it back. Get your money back.

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      09-02-2011 12:27 AM #3
      You dont need to modify anything to put the one from the q7 in, your post speaks of a updated part # for the passsat.

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      09-02-2011 08:24 AM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by JBallou View Post
      You dont need to modify anything to put the one from the q7 in, your post speaks of a updated part # for the passsat.
      How do you know this for sure? I only found these parts by searching through the Audi tsb. I didn't get this part # from the dealer in regards to my passat. Can you clarify?
      Thanks

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      09-09-2011 04:32 PM #5
      What I mean to say is the Q7 part will fit the Q7, most likely not the passat. You need the passat part. The dealers were no help in providing part numbers. Just able to confirm the numbers. I ordered it online. The less idiot parts guys involved the better.

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      09-09-2011 08:31 PM #6
      Parts guys are telling me no new passat part exists.

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      07-17-2013 08:44 AM #7
      any update on this? does the q7 actually have a check valve, and does it fit? i am SO TIRED of hearing my bearings going to **** every time i cold start!
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      07-17-2013 10:15 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Shtbox View Post
      any update on this? does the q7 actually have a check valve, and does it fit? i am SO TIRED of hearing my bearings going to **** every time i cold start!
      No update.
      But I wonder if its just timing chain noise?
      That's what has put my mind at ease for the time since I posted this.

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      07-17-2013 10:24 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by nater View Post
      No update.
      But I wonder if its just timing chain noise?
      That's what has put my mind at ease for the time since I posted this.
      I really hope you're right. My ******* puckers and my face cringes every cold start
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      07-17-2013 10:47 AM #10
      Well, I don't have extra money to just play around with otherwise I'd get each housing in my hand and see what is so different....
      Maybe it can be made to work. Then install and see if the noise goes away.

      Seems like a lot of $ and time just to find out if it indeed is chain noise or not.

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      07-18-2013 09:17 AM #11
      Don't some/all Mobil1 oil filters have an internal check valve? Someone could try running one of those for an oil change and see if there's any difference.

      I suspect it's either chain noise or the hydraulic valve adjustment system repressurizing. If all that racket was bearings I feel like every 3.6 would need new ones every 50,000mi!
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      07-18-2013 09:31 AM #12
      coolWATER

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      07-18-2013 10:56 AM #13
      3.6L uses a canister element. No check valve.

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      07-18-2013 02:18 PM #14
      That's right, there couldn't be any check valve in the element--shouldn't post before I have my coffee!

      I still suspect that the noise comes from the top-end rather than the bottom. The camshaft adjusters and valve lifters seem to have the biggest potential for leakdown as they're furthest from the sump.

      According to the self-study guide for the 3.2/3.6L GDI VR6, the oil filter housing has a check valve, and the oil pump has a reservoir that doesn't drain down to the sump to provide oil pressure right away. Based on the position and orientation of the filter housing, it seems like there'd be quite a bit of oil pooled there on cold start, too.

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    17. 07-18-2013 09:40 PM #15
      I'm pretty sure the passat housing has a check valve. I have it off of the engine and can take pics tomorrow.

      here's the q7 images http://www.ecstuning.com/ES275791/PriceAlert/

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      07-18-2013 10:09 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado4Life View Post
      I'm pretty sure the passat housing has a check valve. I have it off of the engine and can take pics tomorrow.

      here's the q7 images http://www.ecstuning.com/ES275791/PriceAlert/
      Nice! It'll be great to have some photos for comparison.
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      07-19-2013 01:18 PM #17
      All I can say is I definitely have this cold start noise. And it breaks my heart every morning.


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      07-19-2013 06:28 PM #19
      http://youtu.be/RyEDlq25kNE

      This is a video I took this am, documenting the noise.

      But this is quiet compared to the usual.

      Ill add a vid of the louder one in the am.

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      07-20-2013 12:19 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Corrado4Life View Post
      That sure looks like a check valve on the right to me. Is the the inlet or outlet? Thanks for posting the photos!
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      07-20-2013 12:27 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by nater View Post
      http://youtu.be/RyEDlq25kNE

      This is a video I took this am, documenting the noise.

      But this is quiet compared to the usual.

      Ill add a vid of the louder one in the am.
      Sounds just like mine.

      How are your new bearings holding up? Any change in the noise, before and after the new bearings?
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      07-20-2013 05:06 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by jddaigle View Post
      Sounds just like mine.

      How are your new bearings holding up? Any change in the noise, before and after the new bearings?
      Noise is the same. And after 30k+ miles I'd say they are holding up well considering I threw them in there.

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      07-20-2013 09:57 AM #23
      looks like there is a blank plug/port on the housing just like the older VRs. Maybe I'll add my own oil press or temp gauge.

      video sounds just like mine Nater

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      07-20-2013 01:26 PM #24
      Thats the same housing as the 2.8/3.2 24v. Any of those suffer from the same issue?
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      07-20-2013 03:44 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by need_a_VR6 View Post
      Thats the same housing as the 2.8/3.2 24v. Any of those suffer from the same issue?
      My 12v does not have (never has had) that issue.

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