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    1. 05-06-2014 08:57 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by Fredriksson84 View Post
      What oilpump are you guys using ? i have phaeton oilpan but the org vr6 oilpump is about 2cm from the bottom of the pan :S
      I think people are using r32 pumps. Im going dry sump so idk haha

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    3. 05-12-2014 02:08 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by TheeFT View Post
      I think people are using r32 pumps. Im going dry sump so idk haha
      whats the diffrens between the r32 pump and the 12v pump ?

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      05-12-2014 03:14 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Fredriksson84 View Post
      whats the diffrens between the r32 pump and the 12v pump ?
      height top to bottom, the R32 pump is more shallow (why this matters in this application, no idea...)
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    6. 05-12-2014 04:01 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by phil123 View Post
      height top to bottom, the R32 pump is more shallow (why this matters in this application, no idea...)

      because the phaeton oilpan is much deeper then the 12v steel oilpan so i need to have a pump that come closer to the bottom

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      05-12-2014 04:36 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by Fredriksson84 View Post
      because the phaeton oilpan is much deeper then the 12v steel oilpan so i need to have a pump that come closer to the bottom
      understood, but the R32 pump actually does the opposite.

      The people that want to go low run a sectioned or R32 pan and pump because the R32 pumps pickup is "higher" (closer to the hood if you want to look at it like that), than a regular 12v VR6 pump.
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    8. 05-12-2014 04:52 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by phil123 View Post
      understood, but the R32 pump actually does the opposite.

      The people that want to go low run a sectioned or R32 pan and pump because the R32 pumps pickup is "higher" (closer to the hood if you want to look at it like that), than a regular 12v VR6 pump.
      Ok so the only option is to buy the phaeton pump ? that pump is expensive like hell here in sweden it cost around 490us dollar :S

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      05-12-2014 04:58 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by Fredriksson84 View Post
      Ok so the only option is to buy the phaeton pump ? that pump is expensive like hell here in sweden it cost around 490us dollar :S
      If you need a deeper pickup, then I would think so.
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      05-13-2014 11:18 AM #108
      I've been running a factory 12v oil pump for 5 years now. Never an issue.

    11. 05-23-2014 08:27 AM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by haenszel View Post
      I've been running a factory 12v oil pump for 5 years now. Never an issue.
      whit Phaeton oilpan ?

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      05-23-2014 09:47 AM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by Fredriksson84 View Post
      whit Phaeton oilpan ?
      yes.

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      12-07-2014 06:41 PM #111
      so can you still use the vr5 stater with the 034 flywheel? since it should be the same exact thing as the 7a flywheel but deeper to account for the adapter plate vs 7a with the homemade spacer?

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      02-22-2015 01:08 AM #113
      Figured I'd bring new life into this... Driver & Passenger OEM Engine brackets now make it possible to bolt in the VR6 motor using B5/A4/S4 Style engine mounts. No custom mounts or cradles needed.

      I'm picking up where I left off in 2009.

      Here are some recent pictures that may interest some of you.

      I am in the process of breaking down the motor and doing a build. I'll post progress pictures as it becomes neccesary.









      Enjoy.
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      02-27-2015 04:38 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by NYEuroTuner View Post
      Figured I'd bring new life into this... Driver & Passenger OEM Engine brackets now make it possible to bolt in the VR6 motor using B5/A4/S4 Style engine mounts. No custom mounts or cradles needed.

      I'm picking up where I left off in 2009.

      Here are some recent pictures that may interest some of you.

      I am in the process of breaking down the motor and doing a build. I'll post progress pictures as it becomes neccesary.









      Enjoy.
      i hope i'm seeing a touareg driver's side engine mount and a VR5/phaeton passenger side mount?

      can you imbellish on which mounts you['ve used? looks like the 034 billet mount on the driver's side does a sweet correction for the angle of the flat mounting face.

      i am putting a 2.8 BDF into my b6 1.8t avant soon, and have a phaeton 3.2 passenger side mount and a touareg 3.2 driver's side mount...
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    17. 03-02-2015 04:30 PM #115
      Awesome! I've signed up to just ask if you can post the part numbers of those OEM mounts you've used, I'm piecing together all the parts for my swap and would love to use the OEM mounts rather than fabricate custom ones. It looks so right

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      03-03-2015 12:30 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by Talkwrench View Post
      Awesome! I've signed up to just ask if you can post the part numbers of those OEM mounts you've used, I'm piecing together all the parts for my swap and would love to use the OEM mounts rather than fabricate custom ones. It looks so right
      I have in my possession a phaeton 3.2 VR passenger side mount which looks absolutely identical to what he's got in these photos. It should be correct. The driver's side looks just like the touareg/cayenne driver's side mounts, however it could also be a phaeton or passat vr5 mount too. I am not sure if the phaeton/VR5 mount is the same as the touareg version (which i also have).

      I do know that as measured in my A4 b6 1.8t avant 6-speed manual, the width of mounting is 22-3/4" as measured from the base of each stud in each engine mount. This means that if your selection of mounts allows for 22-3/4" from bolt hole to bolt hole, it should plunk down onto the oem mounts correctly (negating the possibility of longitudinal offset due to mount variation). The mounts I have are OEM 1.8t b6, mounted on the oem aluminum lower brackets. I measured this when i had my stock 1.8t pulled last month.

      If we don't get an answer back from the guy with the photos, i will soon have my mounts installed on my spare 24v block, and can chime in if the touareg driver's side has the correct width required. When roughly measured while holding them on the block, it appears i am certainly close if not on the mark.

      Note that his driver's side mount (034 billet) is secured at an angle, which probably is what allows that mount to work. Those billet mounts aren't overly pricey to be honest, so that's a great solution for any 24v swap!


      If ANYONE can comment on the driver's side mount, that would be stellar. Sharing information will NOT make your car slower, or break, lol, but it may help us to keep this thread rolling in the details.
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    19. 03-03-2015 03:14 PM #117
      Should be able to look at the dealer parts diagram and compare part #'s. Right?
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    20. 03-03-2015 03:46 PM #118
      Phaeton Parts:

      pass - 3D0199308AN
      driv - 022115403H - this is also a filter housing it looks like...
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      03-04-2015 08:27 AM #119
      Hey guys, looks like my pictures have generated some buzz. Good that was my intention. First off let me say both mount brackets We're graciously supplied to me by Issam @INA Engineering for fitment and testing and I have been authorized to share info. As our whole intention is to make this swap more feasible and realistically attainable by even the average enthusiast. We are also working with Bische Performance in getting a VR6 running OEM management (VR6 ECU) flawlessly in a B5 just like they have with their B6 A4 3.2 VR6 powered car. Search "Bische Performance" on either youtube or facebook to get a look at his VR B6 A4. Or check out his build thread on AZ.
      http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-thread/page37

      So far, Bische performance is the only, I repeat the only company to successfully get a VR6 running flawlessly and maintaining OEM functions such as OB2 ports, cruise control, and functioning clusters without the Xmas tree lights most VR6 swapped B5s currently have.


      I'm using the Phaeton 3.2 Driver & Passenger engine brackets

      Phaeton driver side bracket is similar but not identical to the VR5 engine bracket as Angle differs substantionslly. So if you have a passenger a phaeton bracket, angle with best work a Phaeton 3.2 drivers bracket.

      With respect, as much info will be shared as possible from my swap, and so much already has. To know now the VR6 can be bolted into our chassis with OEM brackets with minimal mount Hole Massaging is a Great Leap Forward as the only options before hand was an expensive cradle or having some one make you one off custom brackets for a substantional large amount of money.


      Again, please understand, just my posting here is only to show that the VR6 swap is still and
      Now more than ever a do able swap without breaking the bank or necessitating handfuls of custom parts.
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      03-04-2015 08:53 AM #120
      With that said, Information sharing is critical, however please keep in mind time, sourcing brackets and getting them here costs money. And the only way I was able to try out different engine brackets and figure out what works and what doesn't is by someone taking the time to get the brackets in the states and it takes money to shop/import parts.



      Issam @ INAEngineering has been critical during this entire process for this bracket discovery and my swap progression. and there are a few readily available bracket options coming our way from INA in the near future.

      And I'm glad, to see this is sparking new life into this swap. That's the whole idea. And I'm excited to be picking this swap up again after so many years and seeing it to completion.

      Currently I just dissasemlbed the motor and to my dismay did not approve of the current condition of the motor/internals. So I went ahead and ordered through Issam

      DM Forged Rods
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      12v forged Crank
      All ARP hardware
      Calico coated Rod & Main bearings.

      And the list Goes on. I'll post updates as it becomes necessary. As parts trickle in and I get the block & head from the machine shop I will prep the motor and I'm patiently waiting for Bische Performance to finish my harness. 👍🍺
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    23. 03-04-2015 11:13 AM #121
      George,

      This is an inherently DIY crowd these days. There's not a lot of money to be made trying to be a middle man on parts that don't require management.

      Phaeton Parts:

      pass - 3D0199308AN
      driv - 022115403H

      If you want to make money, cut them from billet or cast your own for less than the dealer will charge and earn it... but there's just not going to be a big line of people for a part they can get relatively easily with a part #.

      My $.02.
      Bumblebee Tuna

    24. 03-04-2015 06:32 PM #122
      By the way, I feel like a slight dick for posting the part numbers now. I had no way to know Issam was going to try to package these... if he was, it would have been wise not to mention the model they came from and then removed the part# on the kit he sells. Cat is out of the bag now...
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      03-04-2015 10:58 PM #123
      i mean they are oem mounts. thanks for doing the research and all but paying a markup would be stupid.


      I am more interested in the ECU components mentioned etc. Mainly if they work with dbc/narrowband cars
      I guess i know what parts i am going to start gathering once my stroker is together lol

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      03-05-2015 09:38 AM #124
      I have nothing to gain financially, and no one is worried about part numbers being posted. Info is out there and easily attainable. No one here is trying to hide anything. I simply said INA is packaging something simply to give people the heads up that an easy solution is in the works rather than painfully attempting to source old OEM parts across the sea.

      I am not looking for a return or profit here, just trying to revamp or breathe new life into this swap for our platform.
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    27. 03-05-2015 02:08 PM #125
      after skimming through thjs thread, this is not a cost effective build by any means, and the same power or more can be had for le$$ by going BT 1.8t or 2.7t
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