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    1. 11-05-2009 11:44 AM #1
      http://www.nationalpost.com/ne...84897
      OTTAWA -- MPs voted by a clear margin Wednesday to repeal the federal long-gun registry, signalling for the first time since the program was adopted 14 years ago that it is headed for the scrap heap, despite police assertions that it saves lives.
      A private member's bill, sponsored by Conservative backbencher Candice Hoeppner, had the backing of all the Tories, from Prime Minister Stephen Harper down, and enough Liberal and New Democrat MPs to clear its first major hurdle of winning support in principle.
      The bill passed by a surprising 164-137, winning more supporters than expected as 18 opposition MPs rose to cast their votes with the government.
      The proposed legislation now moves to an all-party committee for public hearings before it returns to the House of Commons for a final vote and then heads to the Senate.
      "It's step one but there is still a lot of work to do," Ms. Hoeppner said outside the Commons after her bill passed second reading.
      The bill would only end the long-gun portion of the registry, eliminating the need to register rifles and shotguns. The requirement to register handguns would remain in place.
      If the bill makes it through Parliament, it would mean the dismantling of eight million firearms records, say police.
      The registry has been the source of many court battles, bitter party infighting between rural and urban MPs, political rhetoric -- and a scathing 2002 report from the federal auditor general that found that final tab to implement the program would ring in at more than $1-billion, dramatically more than the $2-million original estimate.
      The Harper government, which has strong rural support, has introduced legislation to kill the registry, but the bill has languished due to a lack of opposition support and government will to propel it through Parliament.
      MPs are normally permitted to break ranks from the party line for private member's bills, giving Hoeppner's initiative enough support from dissident MPs to succeed, even though the three opposition parties officially support the gun registry.
      Pressure was on MPs to show up and the Commons was packed, with 301 of 304 casting votes -- including a Bloc Quebecois MP who was wearing a mask because he suspects that he has the H1N1 virus.
      Supporters and opponents have campaigned nationwide in recent weeks in an attempt to sway the outcome of the vote, lobbying in newspapers, on radio and in the hallways on Parliament Hill.
      The Conservatives backed radio ads urging Canadians in swing ridings to call their MPs to voice their opposition to the registry.
      The registry was adopted 14 years ago by the former Liberal government as part of a wider gun-control package, largely due to lobbying from the families who lost daughters in the 1989 Montreal massacre, when Marc Lepine used a semi-automatic rifle to kill 14 women at Ecole Polytechnique. Mothers of victims have campaigned relentlessly in the last week to preserve the registry as a vital component of gun control.
      "I'm a mother as well and I completely sympathize," said Ms. Hoeppner. "Unfortunately, the long-gun registry didn't do anything to stop criminals from having guns. It was a huge waste of money and it targeted the wrong people."
      Police, who normally side with the Harper government on law-and-order initiatives, have been at odds with the Conservatives over the program, maintaining it is an important crime-fighting tool that they use often.
      The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police asserted in a news release Wednesday that the registry has saved lives.
      The chiefs say that Canadian police tap into the registry more than 10,000 times a day.
      "Some of the most important queries are about domestic violence calls, which every police service in Canada receives," said association president William Blair.
      "This is not a regional issue. It is not an issue between big cities and small towns. It is not about hunters and sportsmen, collectors and enthusiasts. It is not about politics.
      "It is about public safety. It is about giving police the information to deal with the danger posed by a firearm in the wrong hands."
      Montreal police Chief Yvan Delorme said that registry proved its value following the September 2007 shooting at Dawson College in Montreal, when police heard of threats made by another individual and they were able to check him out, learn he owned several weapons, and confiscate them.
      Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan echoed the long-held Conservative position on the registry, when he denounced it Wednesday as an ineffective waste of money that punishes law-abiding citizens.
      Registry opponents say it should be enough that gun owners must hold licences, but supporters say that licensing does not help police track how many guns an owner has.
      - With a file from Mike De Souza

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      11-05-2009 01:00 PM #2
      Go Canada!
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      11-05-2009 01:23 PM #3

      "We told you the registry was a stupid idea!"
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      11-05-2009 02:30 PM #4
      Its a step in the right direction for sure but there is a long way to go. Parts of that country would make very nice places to live but with socialized medicine and very strict gun laws, its out of the question
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      Clearly you aren't familiar with the "Golden Corrado". It's so clinically clean that in the event that you must urinate it must be done at least one zip code away in fear that it may catch a staph infection.

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      11-05-2009 05:03 PM #5
      Its about half way through the process. It has to go through the committee, which is made up of old Liberals who have been sucking on the taxpayers teets for decades. But the bill is relatively simple, a page and a half so it shouldn't be that hard to get through. It can be delayed up to 90 days though, not a huge deal. The Libs might vote to put this through to get rid of this albatross, but also make headways into rural parts of Canada where they are despised. Maybe get some Fudd votes.
      But the handgun and restricted registry of course will still be in place. Restricted meaning handguns, AR's and the like. Nothing will change with prohibs, AK's, M16's etc.


    8. 11-05-2009 05:14 PM #6
      Quote, originally posted by KubotaPowered »
      Its a step in the right direction for sure but there is a long way to go. Parts of that country would make very nice places to live but with socialized medicine and very strict gun laws, its out of the question


      The WHO still ranks our health care system seven slots above yours. You barely edge out Slovenia.

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      11-05-2009 05:16 PM #7
      Quote, originally posted by Old school »

      The WHO still ranks our health care system seven slots above yours. You barely edge out Slovenia.

      After having to sit through an emergency room visit in Surrey and the treatment I received, I would rather sit in our overcrowed, substandard hospitals every day of the week.
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      Clearly you aren't familiar with the "Golden Corrado". It's so clinically clean that in the event that you must urinate it must be done at least one zip code away in fear that it may catch a staph infection.

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      11-06-2009 02:49 PM #8
      Surrey Memorial? No wonder you are so bitter
      But your from out of town so how were you supposed to know.

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      11-06-2009 03:31 PM #9
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      Surrey Memorial? No wonder you are so bitter
      But your from out of town so how were you supposed to know.

      I think that was it. I love the hospitality from the Canadian citizens, hell a guy drinking a beer put down his morning paper to help a stranger and tried taking me to the hospital but I wouldn't let him
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      Clearly you aren't familiar with the "Golden Corrado". It's so clinically clean that in the event that you must urinate it must be done at least one zip code away in fear that it may catch a staph infection.

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      06-09-2017 07:19 PM #10
      Meanwhile, in Quebec.

      The federal government has introduced a bill that could finally give Quebec data from the federal gun registry that was scrapped by the Conservatives five years ago.
      Federal Minister of Public Safety Ralph Goodale tabled the legislation in the House of Commons today that would give the province records if it requests them within 120 days.
      The data has been sealed in court pending the outcome of various court challenges stemming from the Conservatives' scrapping of the registry.


      Information Commissioner Suzanne Legault had also launched a constitutional challenge of one part of a 2015 omnibus budget bill that retroactively exempted long-gun registration records from Access to Information and Privacy Act legislation and backdated the change to 2011.​
      Goodale's bill would restore the application of the Access legislation to those records, and allows the records to be shared with the province of Quebec.
      Data outdated, incomplete

      It's not clear now how reliable the data is, since the records are now outdated and incomplete.
      Quebec Public Security Minister Martin Coiteux believes it will be of some use.
      "It's not like we couldn't do anything if we didn't have it, but it will be useful," he said.
      The Quebec provincial government began to create its own gun registry about a year ago. MNAs voted 99 to eight in favour of requiring all firearms in the province to have a serial number, which will then be kept in a database.
      The Quebec registry, which is expected to cost $17 million to create plus $5 million a year to operate, is expected to be up and running next year.
      All other records from the former federal gun registry, except for those related to Quebec, have been destroyed.

      With files from Kalina Laframboise
      Congrats, you will be the only place with a long gun registry in North America

    13. 06-10-2017 08:25 AM #11
      Progress is progress. Hope it goes all the way. Good for Canada.

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      06-13-2017 08:03 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Elbows View Post
      Progress is progress. Hope it goes all the way. Good for Canada.
      Sarcasm? Or read too quickly?

      If only I could bring my semi-automatic pistol into Canada without breaking any laws or requiring a paid permit.
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      06-14-2017 12:25 AM #13
      Good.

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