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      06-21-2011 02:38 AM #101
      Other 996 photos from over the years.



















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      06-21-2011 03:00 AM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      Looking at the old pics of the 996 interior, it's pretty ugly. All things considered, the C5 Vette isn't that much worse.

      Anyway, I'd looooooooooove to have a 996 Turbo in the near future.
      so based on pictures you think it's ugly? have you ever actually driven any generation of Porsche?

      the 996 interior was ergonomic light years ahead of all the previous generations of Porsches. for the first time ever the street cars were coming in close to the ergonomics of the race cars. if you don't like the 996 interior then you might as well write off all future Porsches because the cable shifter, gauge cluster, and highly ergonomic interior is here to stay.

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      06-21-2011 03:11 AM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Khyron View Post
      Has the frequency of IMS failures gotten any worse in the last few years? Is it a "sooner or later" thing or do most make it to 200K with no incident?
      this is from another forum. it's a picture of a 2003 996 Turbo odometer. the car is bone stock with no modifications at all.



      take care of your car and it will take care of you.

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      06-21-2011 04:46 AM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      so based on pictures you think it's ugly? have you ever actually driven any generation of Porsche?

      the 996 interior was ergonomic light years ahead of all the previous generations of Porsches. for the first time ever the street cars were coming in close to the ergonomics of the race cars. if you don't like the 996 interior then you might as well write off all future Porsches because the cable shifter, gauge cluster, and highly ergonomic interior is here to stay.

      obin
      Dude just said the interiors are pretty ugly. And I have to agree with him.

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      06-21-2011 05:58 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by pat_ernzen View Post
      Dude just said the interiors are pretty ugly. And I have to agree with him.
      that opinion is fine but you have to realize that it's in the minority. Porsche sales skyrocketed with the 986, 996, and the generations of cars that came after it. maybe all the people that thought the old cars had ugly interiors finally were refreshed? over a half million new Porsche owners in the past decade agree. i find that the 996 was finally the generation that Porsche got the interior right. that opinion comes from driving EVERY generation of Porsche (and 911) from the 356 onwards. there's a reason why the new design is doing so well and it isn't because Porsche did something wrong.

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      06-21-2011 06:19 AM #106
      Yeah, they're an improvement over previous generations, but that isn't saying much at all considering how awful some were. The 996's cluster is overly busy and kind of tacky, the dash/doors are full of seemingly random curves and even the steering wheels are a bit of an eyesore. Not saying they're not great when it comes to ergonomics and such, but visually they don't fair well... especially given the price. The 997's interior is leaps and bounds better visually.

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      06-21-2011 09:07 AM #108
      Doesn't the 996 turbo have a different engine design compared to the regular 996? If that is the case, showing a high mileage 996 turbo is not indicative of the IMS issue frequency with n/a cars...

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      06-21-2011 09:15 AM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      so based on pictures you think it's ugly? have you ever actually driven any generation of Porsche?

      the 996 interior was ergonomic light years ahead of all the previous generations of Porsches. for the first time ever the street cars were coming in close to the ergonomics of the race cars. if you don't like the 996 interior then you might as well write off all future Porsches because the cable shifter, gauge cluster, and highly ergonomic interior is here to stay.

      obin
      It's ugly. It even reminds me of the C5 Vette in a way. Also, just because the air-cooled Porsches had terrible interiors doesn't mean anything. Also, I'm not sure where I had complaints about the ergonomics are, but read into my post whatever you'd like. Old EK Civics have nice ergonomics, but they're also pretty ugly. See the distinction?

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      06-21-2011 09:20 AM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by Dan92SLC View Post
      Doesn't the 996 turbo have a different engine design compared to the regular 996? If that is the case, showing a high mileage 996 turbo is not indicative of the IMS issue frequency with n/a cars...
      Yes, the 996 Turbo and GT3 both use the 964 crank case, and a whole different (reliable) ball of wax. My buddy who owns a Porsche shop in Richmond does engines in 986 / 987 / 996 cars all the time. Like a couple a week, almost every week. The problem is that some of those cars never had a problem and have gone strong for well over 100k, many lunched engines at much lower miles, so you never know. On the IMS there is no way to know if or when it will fail. As I understand it, a new IMS does not mean it will last that much longer than one that has been in the car for 80k. Some break, some don't.

      997.1 is better but not perfect, as is the Cayman from what he's told me - he just did a 120k mile service on a Cayman and the thing ran like a top, zero problems, owner dailies the car and loves it.

      The best solution IMO is to get a blown motor car if you want a 996 but are worried about the engine. Buy a new motor from Porsche (I think it's like $10k-12k? - comes complete with everything and I mean everything - all accessories, engine harness, timed, topped off, everything ready to go) remove old one, bolt in new one, connect harness, and you'd good for I think 3 years or 30k on the warranty.

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      06-21-2011 09:20 AM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by Dan92SLC View Post
      Doesn't the 996 turbo have a different engine design compared to the regular 996? If that is the case, showing a high mileage 996 turbo is not indicative of the IMS issue frequency with n/a cars...
      Exactly right.

      It uses a block which is different from the Boxster/Cayman/Carrera. Those are prone to IMS issues.

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      BTW despite the engine issues, I love 996 cars, especially the early ones. A little I know.

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      06-21-2011 09:31 AM #113
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      06-21-2011 09:41 AM #114
      My stepdad has a carrera 4 996 cabriolet. I considered buying it from him before getting my 2011 S4. He has about 90k on the car now and just did a engine overhaul and clutch replacement. Its like a brand new car. Fun but I would prefer a 4S or Turbo. My s4 runs circles around his car lol

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      06-21-2011 09:58 AM #116


      One of the most fun and beautiful sounding cars I've driven. Firm, but with the creature comforts of a modern car. Much like the 997 cars, the 996 GT3 is my favorite of the series. I'd loveeeeeeee to get one of these in the driveway


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      06-21-2011 11:44 AM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      this is from another forum. it's a picture of a 2003 996 Turbo odometer. the car is bone stock with no modifications at all.



      take care of your car and it will take care of you.

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      Not bad.... I have a 2000 carrera with 47k on it, bone stock

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      06-21-2011 11:55 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by pat_ernzen View Post
      That 930 looks so great from behind.
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      06-21-2011 12:00 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Woo View Post
      That 930 looks so great from behind.
      It makes you realize how much lower the ass of older Porsches are. The 996 looks like quite a fatty in comparison.
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      06-21-2011 12:09 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by mellbergVWfan View Post
      It makes you realize how much lower the ass of older Porsches are. The 996 looks like quite a fatty in comparison.
      No kidding.

      Next, put a 930 next to a Panamera.
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      06-21-2011 12:45 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by Fritz27 View Post
      It's ugly. It even reminds me of the C5 Vette in a way. Also, just because the air-cooled Porsches had terrible interiors doesn't mean anything. Also, I'm not sure where I had complaints about the ergonomics are, but read into my post whatever you'd like. Old EK Civics have nice ergonomics, but they're also pretty ugly. See the distinction?
      It isn't ugly to me.



      Perhaps not up to dash stroker standards these days as exposed brushed aluminum and hand stitched leather are a must in the cockpit, but I really don't see what's so bad or unappealing about it. Even on the base 996 Carreras, it doesn't cost that much to buy a set of Recaros and the 3 spoke steering wheel in the above pictures. (Which, btw, is essentially the same wheel used in the CGT)

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      06-21-2011 02:05 PM #123
      Any pics of the dash at night? Do all 996s use yellow/orange cluster lighting? 997 is white with red needles I think?

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      12-13-2011 06:09 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by Bognostraclum View Post
      996 GT3 MKI. The GT3 bodykit makes all the difference.

      These are also nice:

      That is my FIL's car. He convinced me to buy my 996 just a few days ago!

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      12-13-2011 08:09 PM #125
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