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 Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro« »

Take something pedestrian and make it white hot… scalding even. That’s the theory behind DC-10, one of the wildest clubs on the Spanish Island of Ibiza - a small mass of land off the Spanish coast that’s synonymous with rave clubs and 24 hour partying. You see, DC-10 is, or rather was, simply an old hangar on the edge of the Ibizan aeropuerto. As is probably uncommon anywhere but Ibiza, something as boring as an old hangar begat an after hours rave location, begat an permanent club that’s attained legendary status amongst the throngs of partiers that flock to the white island every season. DC-10 is where the hardest of the hardcore go. Where a serious club might not close until early morning, DC-10 doesn’t even open until 6AM… the after-party of the after-party’s after-party. Yes, ‘day thay dieth’ as the locals call it, is merely an old hangar… and yet so much more.

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 Re: Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro (George@Fourtitude) »« »

George what was your experience between the two power plants, the 2.0T & 3.2 in the Avant
Was it nominal?
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 Re: Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro (iwantanaudi) »« »

The 2.0T I drove was FWD so lighter but less traction. But yeah, it felt close.... less linear and didn't sound as good (2.0T). The feeling's not far off of a chipped current-gen 2.0T if you've driven one.



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 Re: Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro (George@Fourtitude) »« »

Quote, originally posted by George@Fourtitude »
The 2.0T I drove was FWD so lighter but less traction. But yeah, it felt close.... less linear and didn't sound as good (2.0T). The feeling's not far off of a chipped current-gen 2.0T if you've driven one.

if we were to chip the 2.0, what kind of power gains are we looking at?



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 Re: Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro (George@Fourtitude) »« »

When will Audi learn.....

I keep reading articles on here about the great cars you guys are driving, and then in the final paragraph "But Audi will not ferderalize this configuration for the US"

Is it that you chose to drive and review cars we cannot get because they are more fun to drive, have better features, or because in general we always want what we can't have?

I have also driven the new 2.0T and the 3.0TDI. Both these motors would be fantastic in the A4 with a manual transmission. And both these motors are nearly worthless in a FWD with automatic or DSG.
The traction factor with tons of torque under the pedal make for a huge mismatch. I've experienced it.
Yet we will see neither motor in an MT6 A4 in the USA????

If the public doesn't want them, and Audi is not bringing them (as all accounts have stated) then why bother reviewing them? We shouldn't be interested in them, we must only want automatics. Please post a riviting review of the 3.2V6 automatic sedan that we can all run out and purchase..... I can't wait.. yawn...



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 Re: Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro (evlgreg) »« »

I was at a European launch and the only transmissions available were manuals. Rest assured, when the American versions become available, we'll drive that too.



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 Re: Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro (George@Fourtitude) »« »

Thanks George for clarification.

As a follow up to "when will Audi learn?"

The Europeans started moving toward Diesel and manual transmissions years ago when the price of gas was over $4 gallon in Europe (pre-1998)
Americans moved directly to better gas mileage vehicles in the energy "crisis" of the early 70's when they last used supply as a reason to raise prices from $0.35/gallon up over $1/gallon. I remember when they had to add the "1" on the left of the sign to make room for the new pricing.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there WILL be a demand for high mileage cars, including luxury cars in the US. It might take someone who knows a little history rather than a marketing executive that is just out of college. The Japanese used it as a way into the US market, now even the Japanese cars do not get great mileage , seen a Subaru EPA rating lately?

There is a Chinese company called Chery, that is planning to launch cars in the US sometime soon. If that happens and they bring cars that get 50+MPG (make no mistake, the technology has been there for years, see the Honda CRX hf from the 80's that got 60+ mpg off the showroom floor) and tey establish that as an identity, then we will have a whole other country producing cars for the US market.

Audi does not need to compete with Chery, and it does not need to establish itself as a fuel economy leader. Audi needs to take the lead in their segment, the luxury all-wheel drive vehicle. Subaru can have the entry all wheel drive, VW can grab the high mileage near luxury FWD market, but Audi needs to LEAD the high mileage luxury category. Re-gear the stupid cars and get 40+mpg with the 2.0t. It will be slower, but 90% of the Audi buyers don't go fast anyway, they sit in traffic with their automatics.

Audi could sell tons and tons of an AWD TDI manual transmission sedan or wagon in the Northeast, or Rocky Mountains. All you need to do is drive around Boulder, Colorado on a Sunday morning and you will swear there is a local ordinance requiring you drive a Subaru Outback wagon in white or green in order to use a public road... That's all you see ! Most of those people would rather get 30+mpg with lower emissions than a Subaru, but what option do they have currently? Bring the wagon in a manual AWD, and Bring the TDI in a manual TDI AWD and I know lots of people that will buy one.



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 Re: Driven: 2009 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T S-line and 3.2 quattro (George@Fourtitude) »« »

So have the refinement and engine note improved in new 2.0T?



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