High performance transmission specialist Quaife Engineering Ltd is delighted to announce the launch of a new Automatic Torque Biasing differential current VAG models using the innovative DSG six speed semi-automatic gearbox.

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Maybe this is something to install in a few more years, when my warrantee runs out and I'm in need of some new sport spunk to keep the car fun as it ages.

an install thread: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3494550

It's gonna be awhile until I can affort an LSD (and all the other mods I wanna do)... but when I can, I think I'm gonna go for the peloquin (not out yet for DSG AFAIK)

http://mydubspace.com/kwanja3

But for our cars, even at Stage 1, I really am thinking about getting one for the 6MT. Wheel spin is constant on a hard launch, and sometimes even from 1st to 2nd.....

Modified by A3Danimal at 1:14 PM 4-17-2008

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didn't sound right to me either, but this came from Phill@BSH when I asked him last december, who told me "installation should run in the 6-10 hour range depending on the tooling and capeabilities of the shop you choose".

I agree that even at stage1, our cars could greatly benefit from an LSD

http://mydubspace.com/kwanja3

Ya, well, we all know what pricing for auto work is based on: the computer program of work estimation, or whatever its called. I'm pretty sure a skilled guy could do it in 4 or 5 hours, but if the program says 6 - 10, most of the time they charge you the high number. I guess its the same in a lot of industries though. When I bill for computer work on side jobs, I bill a one hour minimum, even if it only takes me 15 minutes......

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To do it right at least.

Also are we talking about FWD or AWD installation here?

Time to R&R a trans is usually at least 6 hours for a FWD car, an AWD would be closer to 10.

DSG your not taking out on your back so its going to be at a shop with a lift and a trans jack.. If you've ever priced a trans jack you know thats a heavy investment for anyone i'd trust my life around..If your not a trans shop that just makes it all the more expensive.. but anyway.

Time to open a trans and take the diff out is can range again from 4-8 or so hours.

How many here have had a dsg open? thought so.

how many shops on here have had a dsg open? though so.

Its going to take some time.

i honestly don't remember what I charged for diff installs by the hour when I had my shop but for 02A/02Js I'd charge about 300 to pull it and 300 to open it up and do the diff with an inspection of the gears, extra labor to fix anything.. and rightfully so as it took more time. heck just the time spent making sure you got the right parts could take over an hour to order. That was at a greatly reduced labor rate based on roughly 10 hours total.

I loved doing them so that was part of it, plus often times they need other parts and I'd rather people fix their cars right and once, despite it making me tons more money to pull it and open it twice. I didn't even mark up the parts (usually just rounded like 134.50 to 135) only charged the labor, again so they fixed it and fixed it right.

Most shops doing a lot more work, I did mostly one off fab stuff, would charge more labor for both and obviously their full shop rate. The DSG and the 02Q in the A3s are also a pain to R&I compraed to the 02A, 02K.. larger so its more awkward to get them in and out easily. AWD trans even more so since you've got to deal with the output section.

I'd say a shop could honestly and fairly get 10-14 hours for a diff install on either trans in a FWD A3.. higher end to 16 or so maybe for an AWD car.

Toss in a half hour if they are nice to swap out a clutch and flywheel on manual cars.

As for if this fits AWD.. looking at the picture no, but that doesnt' mean there isn't an AWD version somewhere.

Its true a pro probably could do it in 5.. I haven't done one in a while.. but yeah that sounds about right.

What you need to remember is that just because you are a pro and you spent years and years and years practicing your job doesn't mean you make less.

If that was the case the only people working on your car would be newbs because no shop would high a pro they had to only bill out their actual time on. You'd pay 300 bucks for an oil change etc etc etc.

Rates are determined based on what it takes say an average person to do.. This is done to make it fair to a good tech and a bad tech.. what better motivation to get good then getting paid more to do the same thing... ITs also fair to you. IF they quote you 3 hours at 100 bucks for a job but it takes the guy 6 would you want to show up and pay 600? So at the same time if they tell you 6 but it takes the guy 3 should he lose for being good at what he does?

As we get better and better with our jobs and careers we ultimately get paid more and more to do less and less.. this is no different.

No, I totally agree with you Chris on the point of the labor costs, thats why I mentioned the computer program, I can't remember what its called, but ya it basically gives the average times for a job.... Sure, you could do it in 5 hours and I could do it in 20+ ( ) and the average is X which then is charged.... so I totally understand the process..... Sorry, the internets again failed to capture my humorous tone of voice in my post.....

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haha no I got it. even laughed over the computer comments. Just wanted to better explain it, wasn't directed at anyone.

In the auto biz its called flatrate... which even has some variance.

Like most things there is a wholesale "price" in this case its time. From there you apply your markup.

So a dealer for example if something pays warranty of 2 hours thats wholesale. To figure out the retail hourly for a job a dealer has their markup same as a normal product. So if they do a 50% markup (middle ground.. cheaper car dealers are 40%.. higher end 60% and up.. That job would be 3 hours retail.

There is the same for warranty work with the actual price also.. but its the opposite. A dealer has a price of say 100 an hour retail. The manufacture agrees to pay that lower warranty time at a rate of say 80 an hour. Basically again its wholesale and the deal is the cars coming to you because we broke.. you wouldn't have the job unless we sucked .. And on top of that lower rate if you don't tell us we broke it in the exact manner we want you to document our sucking.. we aren't going to pay you anything and you are out the cost of the parts too..

Modified by chris@revotechnik at 1:31 PM 4-17-2008

DSG quattro 3.2 Twin turbo from HPA with upgraded clutch packs and LSD (not lambo doors) would /competition for sure. what a sweet dream.

just substitute 3.2 with 2.0, dsg with manual and twin with single and you'd have a sick car

At it's posted output and DSG with FWD, the car is *just* able to cope.

A stock installed LSD would be prime.

Call it Audi Maintenance Program, or something.

Diff is nice in the Mk4 and would have been nice at times in the A3 but I would in no way put this before a chip or other simple bolt ons. Unless you do you do a lot of racing or track days you just will never see the full potential of the money you spent on a stock car just driving it to work everyday. Heck half the people do them because the stock diffs are weak not because of traction, its cheaper to do a diff once then a trans once.. especially since you will usually buy a diff then anyway so you don't have to do the trans twice.