Quote, originally posted by iwantanaudi »

Photos accurate, V6 I'll eat my shorts if its a 6 Cylinder, even if turbo or supercharged It will be the same 4.2 as S5

I hope you're hungry. I've heard this from multiple sources and Motor Trend mentioned it in their B8 A4 review as well I believe.

I would expect it will be less than the S5. Low 40s may be a stretch. I have no indication on price at this time, but lower than S5 is a safe bet.

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LOL funny
I dont see Audi dropping HP from the previous (B7) model S4
No matter how you play it off, it would look foolish and backwards on Audi's part to make such a decision.
A 350+ HP V6 would be easier to swallow

so there is another source for the hungry poster

The 3.2 is already a bit underpowered in the larger A6, and I can see how a 300hp turbo V6 would make sense there.

The new S4 will be far better balanced, and some loss of HP can be acceptable. But losing 40hp is not good for PR when you'll probably still be over 50 grand MSRP.

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More tools and less expensive tools. Look at the chip market for every previous (and current) VAG turbo car. Any NA engine tuner from any manufacturer would kill to have a $500 mod that gives you 50hp and 100 ft/lbs.

Even the BMW chip tuners are asking $1350 for the 3.0tt ECU mod for 60hp and 60+ft/lbs
http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

Quote, originally posted by Krissrock »

a 300hp S4...no way...Audi is losing the HP race big time.

Yes and no. I, like most gearheads, LOVE big HP numbers, but peak HP only tells part of the story. Audi engines have torque everywhere in the rev band, vs. (quick example) a Honda engine which have GREAT peak HP numbers but are absolute sewing machines at lower revs. Its not about the most power, its about the most USABLE power IMHO.

Quote, originally posted by Krissrock »

A4 hp needs to compete with 3series, and the S4's need to compete with M3's ...plain and simple.

Without a long diatribe on Audi product placement, if the S4 competes with the M3 and the MB c 63 AMG... what is the purpose of a V8 RS4? the current S4 and RS4 are stepping on each others toes as it is. Don't get me wrong, I lust after an RS4 only a little less than an R8...

Quote, originally posted by Krissrock »

TT's need a boost as well.

OK... I totally agree with you on this one. Hurry up with the Turbo I-5 RS-TT, then I might be interested. Otherwise the HPA turbo kit on the 3.2 is nice, but limited but the DSG only setup here in the US. I'm nitpicking here.

Quote, originally posted by Krissrock »

..and if that means offering more turbo diesels in the states...so be it!!! but audi needs more hp...!!

I'm not sure how Diesel= more HP... usually Diesel=torque and LOTS of it. I can't wait for the 3.0 TDI and start modding that. Chips should get that engine to 300hp and 400ft/lbs. and still be in the mid 30's for MPG

All in all, the article says "One source says it’ll be slightly more than that of the BMW 335, conservatively rated at 300 hp." which means MORE than 300hp. I would LOVE to see the final production number more like 325-345hp. that would put it a hair under the NA V8 in the S5, and give more differentiation to a 450+hp RS4 (a boy can dream)

(steps off soap box)

back to work-

Should Audi be able to deliver us a 335i competitor at a good price point this new S4 should sell like hotcakes here in the US instead of just being for the pure enthusiast.

With the forthcoming TDI, it's going to be a hard choice (made easy depending on where gasoline prices land!)

I am in the exact same boat. End of 2009 would give me a 10 year run on the B5, about due for an upgrade, all depends on the price of gas versus diesel.

I know this is going to sound like blasphemy, but I think Kacher got it wrong on the turbos. I've got another person today who should be legit telling me a supercharger setup that's reliably good for 350hp if Audi chooses to go that high.

I think that a *lot* of people are going to be in the same decision making boat - especially those who are "aspirational buyers": these are people who aspire to premium brands, can stretch to afford them, but often have hard times maintaining the vehicles. People can afford the $400 $700/month payment, but add on between $150 - $300 month for gas and you're pushing them out of the market.

With that in mind, I would really like to see Audi pushing TDI as aggressively as possible across the entire product line - we are rapidly approaching a point where the economics of TDIs are going to make or break a lot of sales.

I know you get more MPG with diesel, but if you are going to pay premium price or higher whats the benfet?

Hope to see more info on S4 looking good so far

However, if I'm able to increase my mileage by 20%, that's a net gain.

Quote, originally posted by hisham678 »

Normally Diesel prices are around the Unleaded price, but lately the price of Diesel is higher than Premium Unleaded. If that trend continues in the gas market I do not see postive of TDI ownership. I know you get more MPG with diesel, but if you are going to pay premium price or higher whats the benfet? Hope to see more info on S4 looking good so far

SWEET!!!! Imagine that combo... new modular structure benefits, rear-biased quattro, torque-biasing diff, twin-turbo v6, AND S-tronic?? wow

yeah really.... that's 4yrs away... why even bother announcing that...

i have never heard of audi's using superchargers. has this occured in the past?

God Bless America and George W.

wish list:
Audi S4 Avant, RS4, BMW M3 sedan, Ford Mustang Shelby GT500KR, Dodge Challenger