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      05-17-2017 02:14 PM #51
      The 245 tires look awful from the rear, look like rental spec pizza cutters since the car is so big. Other than that, the car looks great so OP is nuts.

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      05-17-2017 03:36 PM #52
      The Challenger is just the fat chick who gives really good head.

      You don't want your friends to know you like that big ol thang.
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      05-17-2017 05:02 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      Does it really matter when its got the best sounding V8 of the 3?...
      It does actually sound damn good.



      Quote Originally Posted by andlf View Post
      ...They have many shortcomings, but I like the fact that they were styled to look so much like the originals. my $.02

      Swing and a miss, I think. My GF and I were driving around and got passed by a 1970's Challenger that looked like this one:



      Her reaction: "OMG, what was that?"

      We walked by a new Challenger in nearly the same color:



      Her reaction: "Meh. Looks like a toy. Too fat."



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      This. Although some pictures look really really good, in person I just find the whole car just too fat looking. It looks really really heavy...
      Its ass makes its ass look big.

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      05-17-2017 05:19 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by squelchy451 View Post
      Porsche sells more SUV than road cars, because soccer moms love sporty SUVs. Ferrari chose not to go down that route because they didn't want to whore themselves to the masses.
      I spit my proverbial drink out reading this. Ferrari is the king of whoring themselves to the masses. They make TONS of money on licensing their logo for apparel, laptops, LEGO sets, a theme park in Abu Dhabi, etc.

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      05-17-2017 09:49 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
      I spit my proverbial drink out reading this. Ferrari is the king of whoring themselves to the masses. They make TONS of money on licensing their logo for apparel, laptops, LEGO sets, a theme park in Abu Dhabi, etc.

      Read about it here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...oducts-2015-10
      They don't compromise their vehicles to do so though, and part of the reason their licensed goods do so well is because every car they make is special.
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    7. 05-17-2017 10:10 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by bob570 View Post
      They don't compromise their vehicles to do so though, and part of the reason their licensed goods do so well is because every car they make is special.
      Outside of the 458 and Laferrari, everything they make is forgettable.

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      05-17-2017 10:37 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Outside of the 458 and Laferrari, everything they make is forgettable.


      Almost everything they've made in recent years has been​ really really good.
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    9. 05-17-2017 11:30 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Outside of the 458 and Laferrari, everything they make is forgettable.

      F12? Lusso aka FF?, California?? no Ferrari Model is Forgettable... Only its trims/Special editions are.

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      05-18-2017 12:07 AM #59
      Uh the problem with the challenger isn't that it doesn't look aggressive enough it's that it weighs more than the titanic while being almost comparable in size...
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      05-18-2017 12:13 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by bob570 View Post
      They don't compromise their vehicles to do so though, and part of the reason their licensed goods do so well is because every car they make is special.
      The California was built almost entirely to be a softer car that would increase sales with the female demo, and as far as the FF goes, go to Italian and/or Ferrari specific meets, or high end C&Cs, and you won't find a single one. Ferrari has chased volume more than ever in recent years which does absolutely mean that not every Ferrari is really *that* special anymore. Not saying I'd kick these cars out of bed, but to say they haven't ever compromised a vehicle to chase sales just isn't the truth.

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      05-18-2017 12:31 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Tomaz View Post
      F12? Lusso aka FF?, California?? no Ferrari Model is Forgettable... Only its trims/Special editions are.
      California is pretty damn ugly if you take off the prancing horse badges, however it's true you don't forget it I guess, then again you don't forget the Aztek either.
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    13. 05-18-2017 01:11 AM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Harpoon View Post
      The California was built almost entirely to be a softer car that would increase sales with the female demo, and as far as the FF goes, go to Italian and/or Ferrari specific meets, or high end C&Cs, and you won't find a single one. Ferrari has chased volume more than ever in recent years which does absolutely mean that not every Ferrari is really *that* special anymore. Not saying I'd kick these cars out of bed, but to say they haven't ever compromised a vehicle to chase sales just isn't the truth.
      Chasing Volume?? in the 1st 5 months of 2016, Ferrari sold a total of 960 cars? compare that to Maserati's 4,261 cars around the same time period.

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      05-18-2017 02:37 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by Tomaz View Post
      Chasing Volume?? in the 1st 5 months of 2016, Ferrari sold a total of 960 cars? compare that to Maserati's 4,261 cars around the same time period.
      They have like a two year wait list. I don't think they're chasing volume, if anything they're just trying to maximize profit per unit.

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      05-18-2017 02:44 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by Sortafast View Post
      Given the sheer number of threads OP has posted with tacky gaudy crap, I'm just gonna say "nah."


      Quote Originally Posted by Tomaz View Post
      Chasing Volume?? in the 1st 5 months of 2016, Ferrari sold a total of 960 cars? compare that to Maserati's 4,261 cars around the same time period.
      Maserati is a luxury sedan brand, albeit a lower volume one. McLaren would be a proper comparison.

      Quote Originally Posted by squelchy451 View Post
      The problem I have with car buyers nowadays is that they're just so damn obsessed with "how aggressive it looks".
      What happened to looking the part? What happened to sensible designs?

      Do we need all these creases and angry headlights everywhere? I see mk7 GTI guys putting color-matched eyelids on their headlights to make it more aggressive. Every iteration of the design has been more and more aggressive and angular.
      I agree. Firstly, the Challenger doesn't look benign at all , secondly, some people want a more subdued looking performance sedan/coupe: I never understood all of the hate towards the SS because it wasn't flashy (neither was an E Class AMG). At least it didn't have a ridiculously tiny greenhouse and looked like a Hot-wheels car like the 5th gen Camaro.
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      05-18-2017 09:20 AM #65
      All of you posting about the car being physically too big are obviously too young to remember the era of real musclecars with big blocks. I'm not talking about the original Challenger, Mustang, or Camaro, but Chevelle SSs, original Chargers and Super Bees, Impala SS, Galaxie 500s, Pontiac Judges, etc. All much larger dimensionally then the new Challenger. It's not supposed to be GTI or Civic (both of which are much larger than THEIR original versions as well)





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      05-18-2017 09:28 AM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      All of you posting about the car being physically too big are obviously too young to remember the era of real musclecars with big blocks. I'm not talking about the original Challenger, Mustang, or Camaro, but Chevelle SSs, original Chargers and Super Bees, Impala SS, Galaxie 500s, Pontiac Judges, etc. All much larger dimensionally then the new Challenger. It's not supposed to be GTI or Civic (both of which are much larger than THEIR original versions as well)





      another example in agreement.


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      05-18-2017 09:30 AM #67
      Here we go. Obviously these are just sketches.. but something similar to this would be awesome.





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      05-18-2017 09:40 AM #68
      Those look awesome in sketch form, but in real life people would complain for the same reasons as the Camaro - can't see out, no back seat room, etc. A lot of current Challenger buyers appreciate the usable interior dimensions and visibility compared to the Camaro and Mustang. If you give that up, you give up a key conquest point over the more overtly 'sporty' pony cars.
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      05-18-2017 09:48 AM #69
      What's the word on the street re: next gen Challenger? Complete redesign or evolution?

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      05-18-2017 11:13 AM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      Does it really matter when its got the best sounding V8 of the 3? I mean, I actually drive not look at pictures all day.

      the GT350 would like to have a word with you...

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      05-18-2017 11:57 AM #71
      The Challenger is for Baby Boomers who can no longer fit in a Corvette, and dislike the boy-racerishness of the other Ponies. Brightly colored throwback cars with all the kitsch, but also big and comfortable, drives like an SUV.

      All of the looks, none of the compromise. Plus, they can remember the original, and lusted after it.

      As for the replacement, I don't think there is one on the horizon. I know right around the FCA merger, there was talk of bringing back the Barracuda name (I know, Plymouth no longer exists) on the Giuilia platform with a turbocharged V6.

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      05-18-2017 12:00 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      The Challenger is just the fat chick who gives really good head.

      You don't want your friends to know you like that big ol thang.
      Eh I'm pretty open about that type of thing.

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      05-18-2017 12:02 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Outside of the 458 and Laferrari, everything they make is forgettable.
      I'm sorry for your disability.

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      05-18-2017 12:22 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by dubdaze68 View Post
      The Challenger is for Baby Boomers who can no longer fit in a Corvette, and dislike the boy-racerishness of the other Ponies. Brightly colored throwback cars with all the kitsch, but also big and comfortable, drives like an SUV.

      All of the looks, none of the compromise. Plus, they can remember the original, and lusted after it.

      As for the replacement, I don't think there is one on the horizon. I know right around the FCA merger, there was talk of bringing back the Barracuda name (I know, Plymouth no longer exists) on the Giuilia platform with a turbocharged V6.

      https://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...18-109157.html


      Nope, I see way more people in their late 20's-early 30's driving Challengers. I've only ever seen a few old guys driving them...and NO I'm not a baby-boomer.

      Giulia based 'Cuda would be cool.
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