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      05-17-2017 11:54 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      One correction adrew: The IIHS test of the '13 and '17 Corolla is a 25% small overlap, whereas the ANCAP test is a 40% moderate overlap. Still a devastating result for the '98 car though, while I bet the new model's driver could walk away.
      Right - I'm aware (not being snarky). The small overlap is a much tougher test than the moderate overlap so I was saying that the strengthened '17 Corolla would probably do even better than the '15 vs. the '98 in this test. IIHS has a few recent moderate overlap videos but don't seem to post many these days since it seems like pretty much everything aces it.
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      05-17-2017 12:29 PM #28
      How long before somebody posts the VW type 2 full of concrete into wall crash test?
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      05-18-2017 12:53 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      IIHS has a few recent moderate overlap videos but don't seem to post many these days since it seems like pretty much everything aces it.
      IIHS has moved to crash test verification on cars where the previous version received a good rating in a particular test. IIHS engineers check automakers in house test results, and every so often run their own identical test to check for accuracy. http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/rat...o/verification

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      05-18-2017 01:26 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      One correction adrew: The IIHS test of the '13 and '17 Corolla is a 25% small overlap, whereas the ANCAP test is a 40% moderate overlap. Still a devastating result for the '98 car though, while I bet the new model's driver could walk away.
      The MY 98, 99, and 17 are all different generation of corolla's, but videos like this is a good reason for people to upgrade their beater daily drivers to something more modern if they have the financial means to do so.

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      05-18-2017 02:54 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by green tea View Post
      videos like this is a good reason for people to upgrade their beater daily drivers to something more modern if they have the financial means to do so.


      Not going to lie- watching videos like this certainly does make one think. Shame most of the cool cars are old cars.
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      05-18-2017 02:58 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      They tell themselves that old airbag probably won't work anyways. At least that's what I've heard them say, but I've never white knuckled a Nardi Personal at 24 stoplights in a single day.
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      but for srs, new cars are safer. is anyone still surprised?

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      05-18-2017 03:24 PM #33
      Since HackAC is posting off topic crash videos-


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      05-18-2017 06:40 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Since HackAC is posting off topic crash videos- (Polo v. Phaeton video)
      The Polo actually held up pretty well, considering the difference in mass. The driver's left leg below the knee was in the danger zone but I'm not sure severe injury would have been guaranteed.
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      05-18-2017 11:25 PM #35
      I think being completely lifted off the ground actually helped it.

      Had its wheels stayed down that would've been more resistance to moving backwards so it would've got crushed.


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      05-19-2017 09:54 AM #36
      These videos are almost vomit inducing for me, as I was in an offset crash about 12 years ago, I was in an '87 VW Cabriolet, and I hit a broken down U-Haul truck that was parked in the fast lane.

      I credit the fact that the Cabriolet had so much extra structural steel due to the fact that the roof was removed for saving my life. As it was, I had a broken nose, concussion, shattered tibia, shattered kneecap, broken foot, cracked femur, bruised ribs, and some upper spinal disc issues, in addition to a variety of scrapes, contusions, glass injuries, etc.

      And yet, I drive a Rabbit Pickup in the summer. I need to upgrade my daily.
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      05-19-2017 10:36 AM #37
      Any place have a list of sub 3k vehicles that are relatively safe?
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      05-19-2017 10:52 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Any place have a list of sub 3k vehicles that are relatively safe?
      Fourth gen Ford Taurus is probably your best bet.

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      05-19-2017 11:02 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      Fourth gen Ford Taurus is probably your best bet.
      Most new drivers want something smaller.
      But yeah- the size really helps those cars.
      Panther cars too.
      Heck, a late 90s Mustang might be safer than that Corolla
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      05-19-2017 11:13 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Most new drivers want something smaller.
      But yeah- the size really helps those cars.
      Panther cars too.
      Don't get hit in the side in a panther car (IIHS test: marginal with side airbags, poor without side airbags):

      http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...a-4-door-sedan


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      05-19-2017 11:20 AM #41
      Yeah, Panther cars were no great shakes in accidents. We're talking about a frame that dates back to the late 70's, with tech older than that.
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      05-19-2017 11:31 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Any place have a list of sub 3k vehicles that are relatively safe?
      http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicles-for-teens

      There's one or two under 3k cars on there, the usual suspects from Volvo mainly.

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      05-19-2017 11:38 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by green tea View Post
      The MY 98, 99, and 17 are all different generation of corolla's, but videos like this is a good reason for people to upgrade their beater daily drivers to something more modern if they have the financial means to do so.
      But the 98-99 Corollas had so much more soul than the new 2017s.

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      05-19-2017 11:57 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by tjl View Post
      Don't get hit in the side in a panther car (IIHS test: marginal with side airbags, poor without side airbags):

      http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...a-4-door-sedan

      LOL this looks like my HR-V... which is obviously a brand new car.


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      05-19-2017 01:05 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by tjl View Post
      Don't get hit in the side in a panther car (IIHS test: marginal with side airbags, poor without side airbags):

      http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...a-4-door-sedan

      Yes, in that EXACT type of crash, it did not fare as well as more modern designs.
      The previous side impact crash tests was lower and caught the frame.. and it did much better.

      If I gave you the choice of vehicles in a 98 Grand Marquis versus a 98 Corolla crash (without telling you what type of crash), which would you choose?
      That's one of the issues with looking at older vehicles.
      You have to choose based on availability and price.. and age.
      Older cars can be "safe", but only if all the safety equipment still works.

      Based on equipment, a 2nd gen Infinity G20 is a good cheap car, but do you trust 18 year old side airbags?
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      05-19-2017 01:38 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Senior Member View Post
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
      Why doesn't this car have an airbag? My 96 Saturn has driver and passenger, wasn't it the law by then?
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      05-19-2017 02:31 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by G60 Carat View Post
      Why doesn't this car have an airbag? My 96 Saturn has driver and passenger, wasn't it the law by then?
      This is in Australia.
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      05-19-2017 02:42 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by xo_vw View Post
      LOL this looks like my HR-V... which is obviously a brand new car.

      The HR-V earned a "poor" for structure / safety cage in the IIHS side crash test, but the dummy somehow avoided most injuries (except "marginal" for driver's pelvis / leg), resulting in an "acceptable" rating overall.

      The "poor" structure / safety cage performance is a surprise, since other recent Hondas generally have "good" ratings.

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      05-19-2017 03:19 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by tjl View Post
      The HR-V earned a "poor" for structure / safety cage in the IIHS side crash test, but the dummy somehow avoided most injuries (except "marginal" for driver's pelvis / leg), resulting in an "acceptable" rating overall.

      The "poor" structure / safety cage performance is a surprise, since other recent Hondas generally have "good" ratings.
      Our current crash tests....
      If it was jacked up another 3", the floor would have given mire support and really helped the results.
      Lift kits are now added safety!!!!
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      05-19-2017 03:40 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by dubdaze68 View Post
      Yeah, Panther cars were no great shakes in accidents. We're talking about a frame that dates back to the late 70's, with tech older than that.
      I don't think the 1970s frame even took a scratch. That is damn good performance.

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