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      05-15-2017 05:29 PM #1
      This is a '15 hatch - not sure if the hatchback got the same chassis upgrades the '17 sedan got that allow it to do much better on the small overlap test.

      Start these both at the same time:




      For comparison/upgrades

      Last edited by adrew; 05-15-2017 at 05:34 PM.
      Improving the signal-to-noise ratio

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      05-15-2017 05:36 PM #2
      From the viewpoint of the '98 Corolla


      Kinda makes me shudder when I think of all the guys with 90s cars who remove the "big ugly airbag" just for the sake of looks


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      05-15-2017 05:40 PM #3
      It's also an Australian-spec Corolla (aka Auris, aka our Corolla iM)
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      05-15-2017 05:42 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      It's also an Australian-spec Corolla (aka Auris, aka our Corolla iM)
      (Right - I said Corolla hatch) I was inferring that the sedan would have probably done better.

      AFAIK the hatches are all made in Japan and the airbag complement looks the same so it would probably be a similar result.

      Here is one with more info - man, that old Corolla hatch is in great shape! (before)
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      05-15-2017 07:29 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Abe Froman View Post
      From the viewpoint of the '98 Corolla


      Kinda makes me shudder when I think of all the guys with 90s cars who remove the "big ugly airbag" just for the sake of looks


      They tell themselves that old airbag probably won't work anyways. At least that's what I've heard them say, but I've never white knuckled a Nardi Personal at 24 stoplights in a single day.
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      05-15-2017 07:50 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Abe Froman View Post
      From the viewpoint of the '98 Corolla


      Kinda makes me shudder when I think of all the guys with 90s cars who remove the "big ugly airbag" just for the sake of looks


      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      They tell themselves that old airbag probably won't work anyways.
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.

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      05-15-2017 08:07 PM #7
      Where did they find such a pristine 98 Corolla?! Looks like old forgotten new stock.

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      05-15-2017 08:09 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Senior Member View Post
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
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      05-15-2017 08:21 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Senior Member View Post
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
      Agreed, that would've resulted in either death or extreme injury, with or without an airbag. I'm still surprised that a car built in 1998 doesn't have an airbag though.

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      05-15-2017 08:32 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by bagged_hag View Post
      Agreed, that would've resulted in either death or extreme injury, with or without an airbag. I'm still surprised that a car built in 1998 doesn't have an airbag though.
      That was from Australia, so airbags presumably were not universal in new cars there in 1998.

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      05-15-2017 08:59 PM #11
      I would have rather seen a 2003 Corolla instead of a 98.
      Still see lots of those.

      Scratch that- I would like to see a 1998 Accord against a new Civic.
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      05-15-2017 09:14 PM #12
      Ouch. And I considered most 90's cars to be reasonably safe at these types of tests. Maybe it's time to buy a my modern beater for work.


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      05-15-2017 10:47 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by candy11 View Post
      Ouch. And I considered most 90's cars to be reasonably safe at these types of tests. Maybe it's time to buy a my modern beater for work.


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      I think car safety has increased exponentially since then...(I could be wrong). Not even counting driver aids like adaptive cruise, auto braking, etc. Just major improvements in stability and structure.

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      05-15-2017 10:51 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Senior Member View Post
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
      Not when it's on the wrong side like that.
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      05-16-2017 01:25 AM #15
      Might be a stupid question but did Toyota make a new 98 Corolla just for this test? Or do they buy a lightly used one from a third party?
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      05-16-2017 07:04 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by BeBop! View Post
      Might be a stupid question but did Toyota make a new 98 Corolla just for this test? Or do they buy a lightly used one from a third party?
      What happened to the first two parties?
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      05-16-2017 10:22 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      What happened to the first two parties?

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      05-16-2017 10:38 AM #18
      According to wiki IIHS only started doing moderate offset crash tests in 1995. So any car made before that will likely do terrible. Even into the early 2000s they were doing terrible. Now they have been doing the small overlap since 2012 and cars are just getting exponentially safer. At the expense of visibility of course. So it is lucky that the less we can see out of cars, the safer they become...



      Anyone selling a '91 Ford Sierra? That Landwind at 8:15 looked painfull as well.
      Last edited by Power5; 05-16-2017 at 10:51 AM.

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      05-16-2017 12:07 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Power5 View Post
      According to wiki IIHS only started doing moderate offset crash tests in 1995. So any car made before that will likely do terrible.
      The few that did well at the time included the Ford Taurus and the Volvo 850/S70.

      http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/1994
      http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/veh...oor-sedan/1994

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      05-16-2017 12:17 PM #20
      ^

      the Ford Sierra 1991 video.
      The steering wheel violently decapitated the driver.
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      05-17-2017 09:10 AM #21
      These folks at the ANCAP are great! Sent them an email and they promptly replied.


      In procuring the vehicles for the test, it was important the vehicles selected were representative of those available to everyday consumers.

      The 1998 Toyota Corolla was purchased as a used vehicle from a local dealership. It had travelled 132,000kms and had one previous owner.

      The 2015 Toyota Corolla was also purchased as a used vehicle from a local dealership. It had travelled 29,000kms and was an ex-rental car.

      Both vehicles had full service history and had not previously been involved in a crash.

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      05-17-2017 09:21 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      These folks at the ANCAP are great! Sent them an email and they promptly replied.
      Think about how boring that job must be when you are not crashing vehicles.
      You should ask them to send nudes.
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      05-17-2017 09:28 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Think about how boring that job must be when you are not crashing vehicles.
      You should ask them to send nudes.
      I did.


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      05-17-2017 09:32 AM #24
      Touche'
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      05-17-2017 11:28 AM #25
      One correction adrew: The IIHS test of the '13 and '17 Corolla is a 25% small overlap, whereas the ANCAP test is a 40% moderate overlap. Still a devastating result for the '98 car though, while I bet the new model's driver could walk away.

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