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      04-19-2017 11:44 AM #1
      What I have now:
      1) a perfectly reliable 2015 Mazda 6 that very pretty, rides well, and I like just fine, but I am starting to get a little bored with (needs moar power).
      2) a Laguna Blue 94 miata that is very reliable for its age and is a fun weekend toy.

      What I'm considering:
      Selling both and picking up this 2006 330Ci ZHP convertible, 75K miles. According to the seller it is up to date on all maintenance, including fresh valve cover gasket, oil filter housing gasket and VANOS oil line/seals this week. He has a PPI that I haven't seen yet, but will likely be looking at the car tomorrow. The only downside is it's an automatic, though having had one in the 6 for the last few years has warmed me to them some.



      Why:
      I had a 325 convertible a few years ago, and I miss it.
      No more car payment
      Two cars to one helps taxes and insurance
      It's a 330Ci ZHP

      Why not:
      It's an 11 year old BMW

      I am familiar with the increased care and feeding of BMW, but am I buying a ticking time bomb? Help me TCL, you're my only hope.
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      04-19-2017 11:49 AM #2
      If it was a stick I'd say 100% yes. Since it's an auto, I'll say 80% yes, only because that auto has a bad habit of losing reverse. Keep your eyes on the horizon, never look back, and it shouldn't be an issue.
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      04-19-2017 11:51 AM #3
      you've got two great cars that get a lot of cred. The 6 is so practical, and the Miata is pure fun....Trade for an 11-yr old Bimmer? Don't do it!

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      04-19-2017 01:11 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      If it was a stick I'd say 100% yes. Since it's an auto, I'll say 80% yes, only because that auto has a bad habit of losing reverse. Keep your eyes on the horizon, never look back, and it shouldn't be an issue.
      This is pretty much my reaction. I had an E46 325 vert with a manual and it was pretty fun while a friend had a 325 with an automatic and it just wasn't nearly as fun. Personally, unless your commute warrants having an auto, I would look for a manual.

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      04-19-2017 11:51 AM #5
      Get rid of the Miata only otherwise you know you're being an idiot.
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      04-19-2017 11:52 AM #6
      Maybe.

      I have a 2005 ZHP vert and I love it. The one you're looking at is right at the age/mileage where it needs a lot of stuff:

      - Full cooling system overhaul
      - Control arm bushings; various other perishable suspension items.
      - Probably shocks

      Once you address all that, it'll be good for another 80k.

      Check this out: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=896234

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      04-19-2017 01:21 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by abacabdan View Post
      No more car payment
      Quote Originally Posted by VAB5 View Post
      I have a 2005 ZHP vert and I love it. The one you're looking at is right at the age/mileage where it needs a lot of stuff:

      - Full cooling system overhaul
      - Control arm bushings; various other perishable suspension items.
      - Probably shocks
      The ZHP you're looking at isn't in constant-needy mode yet, but like VAB said it WILL need things. Sometimes the lack of a car payment just becomes an increased maintenance tab.

      Otherwise, if you're fine with an AT ZHP vert and the price is reasonable (not always the case with ZHPs), go for it.
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      04-19-2017 01:31 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by VAB5 View Post
      Maybe.

      I have a 2005 ZHP vert and I love it. The one you're looking at is right at the age/mileage where it needs a lot of stuff:

      - Full cooling system overhaul
      - Control arm bushings; various other perishable suspension items.
      - Probably shocks

      Once you address all that, it'll be good for another 80k.
      100% agree with this assessment. I'm a 5-year ZHP coupe owner, currently at 90k miles. All this stuff has been addressed on my car. The drivetrain is bulletproof. The steering is sublime, arguably the best-driving car BMW ever built. Perfect compromises between performance/handling/daily driver comfort.

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      04-19-2017 03:18 PM #9
      I support this. As an e46 owner, I can say it's one of the best and most reliable cars I have owned. I just took my 323i on 800 mile one way road trip during Easter break. No issues. Didn't expect any. I'm looking for a ZHP sedan myself. I'm still searching.

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      04-19-2017 11:57 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by abacabdan View Post
      What I have now:
      1) a perfectly reliable 2015 Mazda 6 that very pretty, rides well, and I like just fine, but I am starting to get a little bored with (needs moar power).
      2) a Laguna Blue 94 miata that is very reliable for its age and is a fun weekend toy.

      What I'm considering:
      Selling both and picking up this 2006 330Ci ZHP convertible, 75K miles. According to the seller it is up to date on all maintenance, including fresh valve cover gasket, oil filter housing gasket and VANOS oil line/seals this week. He has a PPI that I haven't seen yet, but will likely be looking at the car tomorrow. The only downside is it's an automatic, though having had one in the 6 for the last few years has warmed me to them some.



      Why:
      I had a 325 convertible a few years ago, and I miss it.
      No more car payment
      Two cars to one helps taxes and insurance
      It's a 330Ci ZHP

      Why not:
      It's an 11 year old BMW

      I am familiar with the increased care and feeding of BMW, but am I buying a ticking time bomb? Help me TCL, you're my only hope.
      Not sure about giving up the blue Miata..you might regret it. In regards to the E46, what does "up to date" on the maintenance mean? What you mentioned are good items that was replaced but make sure the whole cooling system needs to be replaced at that miles/year. Also, I am guessing that it still rides on original suspension? If it is, the shocks are already blown (though it may not feel like it) as well as the rubber bushings. You are also aware that other items such as DISA valve, CVV valve and other common E46 needs to be done if they havent been already. Being an automatic, the ZF tranny , more like the torque converter may leak it seals around 100k miles. Its somewhat common but replacment TC is not bad. If you can do most of this work, I say go for it. Once you fix all the common E46 stuff, it is a pretty solid car. The vert is classic timeless design..one of my favorites.

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      04-19-2017 12:30 PM #11
      Thanks for the replies. Control arms have been replaced. Shocks and the cooling system are at the top of my questions list. I'll ask about tranny maintenance as well.

      Selling the 6 is overcoming logic, not heart. Selling the Miata is the other way around. But I find I just don't drive it much anymore. I've realized I really want another 4 seat convertible as a DD and haven't found anything I like as much as a Bimmer.

      I should also add that my better half has an NC Miata, so there would still be one in the household.
      Last edited by abacabdan; 04-19-2017 at 12:34 PM.
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    12. 04-19-2017 12:36 PM #12
      Why would any self-respecting car guy be driving a toaster appliance Mazda Accord 6?

      100% I'd Trade both for the E46. Just not an automatic one.
      Last edited by woodenSpoon; 04-19-2017 at 12:39 PM.

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      04-19-2017 12:41 PM #13
      This car with the ZHP package is one of my FAVORITE CARS EVER. So if it's in good condition and not a rolling POS, I say buy buy buy.

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      04-19-2017 01:03 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by woodenSpoon View Post
      Why would any self-respecting car guy be driving a toaster appliance Mazda Accord 6?

      100% I'd Trade both for the E46. Just not an automatic one.
      Why would any self-respecting car guy drive an auto convertible 3 series?

      See how that works?

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      04-19-2017 01:08 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by BltByKrmn View Post
      Why would any self-respecting car guy drive an auto convertible 3 series?

      See how that works?
      Well this is just a roller coaster of emotions.
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      04-20-2017 05:53 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by woodenSpoon View Post
      Why would any self-respecting car guy be driving a toaster appliance Mazda Accord 6?

      100% I'd Trade both for the E46. Just not an automatic one.
      Yeah, it's not like most people (even enthusiasts) need a newer, economical, practical daily driver

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      04-19-2017 01:02 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by abacabdan View Post
      What I have now:
      1) a perfectly reliable 2015 Mazda 6 that very pretty, rides well, and I like just fine, but I am starting to get a little bored with (needs moar power).
      2) a Laguna Blue 94 miata that is very reliable for its age and is a fun weekend toy.

      What I'm considering:
      Selling both and picking up this 2006 330Ci ZHP convertible, 75K miles. According to the seller it is up to date on all maintenance, including fresh valve cover gasket, oil filter housing gasket and VANOS oil line/seals this week. He has a PPI that I haven't seen yet, but will likely be looking at the car tomorrow. The only downside is it's an automatic, though having had one in the 6 for the last few years has warmed me to them some.
      If you're bored with a 6 and a Miata, the E46 330 is not going to set the world on fire for you no less an auto 330. Also, any BMW with 75k miles is going to need a full suspension overhaul.

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      04-19-2017 04:11 PM #18
      I should add that after addressing all that stuff (total cooling system, suspension bits) at a great local indy shop, I use the ZHP as my daily driver, with 113k on the clock.

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      04-19-2017 04:24 PM #19
      My dad has had a manual ZHP coupe as his daily driver for 6 or 7 years now, and even at 190k-ish miles, it looks and drives great. He did recently go through and replace the Vanos seals, a valve cover gasket that was leaking oil, and the fuel pump. I think you should definitely do it. I'd even argue that selling a newer depreciating car and replacing it with a car that is nearing the bottom of its depreciation curve is the logical choice.
      Last edited by r_fostoria; 04-19-2017 at 04:28 PM.

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      04-19-2017 06:47 PM #20
      The E46 suffers from metal fatigue where the rear subframe mounts to the body. Make sure this one does not have the issue.

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      04-19-2017 08:12 PM #21
      From my chair here, I would not sell either car. Spend some money on Miata modzzz.
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      04-19-2017 08:24 PM #22
      Automatic?

      Meh.

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      Quote Originally Posted by RS-SIX View Post
      You guys are missing the point with manuals...not only does not one want to drive a manual, many active safety systems do not work with manual transmissions. Soon manual trans cars are going to be the most dangerous cars on the road. If they dont die a natural death, they will be outlawed.

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      04-20-2017 02:27 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by vasillalov View Post
      The E46 suffers from metal fatigue where the rear subframe mounts to the body. Make sure this one does not have the issue.


      Early E46 that was an issue. After 2002 that happening is very rare.

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      04-20-2017 07:20 AM #24
      I bought one for the wife a few months ago, 2006 ZHP vert. Had 115k. everything works. needed a radiator and front control arm bushings but i was ready for all that stuff. Didnt care about man vs auto BC for wife. i really like the car personally.


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      04-20-2017 10:44 PM #25
      Well, the car is pretty damn spotless. He added a sprint booster to help with throttle response, which is noticeable. It's not a manual, but I didn't mind the auto as much as I thought I would. It doesn't have any of the e46 vert quirks I was expecting like clicking windows or clunks from the roof. Shocks and cooling system have not been done.

      He was a very straight forward seller. I'm gonna sleep on it, but at the moment my gut is telling me I can always buy another Mazda6. Another plus, I spoke with dear old dad tonight and he is interested in "buying" the Miata (I'd give it to him). That way it would stay in the family. We'll see.
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