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    1. 12-02-2016 10:10 AM #1
      Im almost through my 3 year Tiguan Lease. I want to get something more fun. Either a GTI or Golf R. Local dealer has many GTIs and 2 Golf Rs in stock.

      My last 2 leases were with VW and I plan to stay with them. I rolled the taxes and fees into the lease and only put $500 down the last 2 times. I don't see the point of a big down payment on a lease so I plan on a similar down payment on the next lease. 3yr/36K is what terms I'm looking for

      Not sure why but these two target payments popped into my head. If I can get close, I'd probably pull the trigger. GTI SE(to get leather) for 400. Golf R for 500. Am I in the ballpark?

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      12-12-2016 09:21 PM #2
      I think the R will be closer to 550.
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    4. 12-14-2016 03:24 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      I think the R will be closer to 550.
      Emailed dealer. quoted me 690 with 0 down.

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      12-15-2016 12:25 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by sellitsoon View Post
      Emailed dealer. quoted me 690 with 0 down.
      that's just plain stupid.

    6. 12-17-2016 05:34 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by DasCC View Post
      that's just plain stupid.
      Yeah, I was suprised. I stopped pursuing it for now. Lease is up in Feb. I'll figure it out later.

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      12-19-2016 11:39 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by sellitsoon View Post
      Yeah, I was suprised. I stopped pursuing it for now. Lease is up in Feb. I'll figure it out later.
      The issue with leasing a golf R is there are no incentives from VWoA. For the most part they are order only cars and if your dealer has them they know they are going to sell msrp. In my particular case we have moved 4 in the past couple of weeks and they have all been ordered cars for specific customers, and most have financed the car instead of lease. I have had one lease from a customer he was in the high $600 low $700's.

      hope this helps a little. best bet would be to move on a GTI while there is the sing then drive event 2017 GTI S is going for $359 lease before taxes and dealer fees.

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      12-19-2016 12:13 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by malarkey View Post
      The issue with leasing a golf R is there are no incentives from VWoA. For the most part they are order only cars and if your dealer has them they know they are going to sell msrp. In my particular case we have moved 4 in the past couple of weeks and they have all been ordered cars for specific customers, and most have financed the car instead of lease. I have had one lease from a customer he was in the high $600 low $700's.

      hope this helps a little. best bet would be to move on a GTI while there is the sing then drive event 2017 GTI S is going for $359 lease before taxes and dealer fees.
      dang, that's more than an S3......

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      12-19-2016 11:23 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by DasCC View Post
      dang, that's more than an S3......
      Here are some break downs for you. Either Audi dealer was trying a slick one on you and not including tax and dealer fees in your quote or they are blowing the car out for you. But based on the numbers they are basically the same.







      These cars always work out better with financing. At least with the Golf R you can see that they hold their value. So you would be better in the long run getting a nice down payment and "leasing" the car to yourself so to speak and in three years make some money on it. Keep your self in check with mileage and you will be good. I am not familiar with how S3's hold their value. Hope this helps. Also keep in mind this does not include dealer fees which would get up up another 20-30 $ a month also subject to credit which depending on your tier will bump you up again.

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      12-20-2016 11:58 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by malarkey View Post
      Here are some break downs for you. Either Audi dealer was trying a slick one on you and not including tax and dealer fees in your quote or they are blowing the car out for you. But based on the numbers they are basically the same.







      These cars always work out better with financing. At least with the Golf R you can see that they hold their value. So you would be better in the long run getting a nice down payment and "leasing" the car to yourself so to speak and in three years make some money on it. Keep your self in check with mileage and you will be good. I am not familiar with how S3's hold their value. Hope this helps. Also keep in mind this does not include dealer fees which would get up up another 20-30 $ a month also subject to credit which depending on your tier will bump you up again.
      not quite... the issue with your assumptions is that you are paying MSRP on both cars. that's not the case with either of them.... With a bit of negotiation you can easily get 10%+ knocked off a higher trim S3 while most R cars are priced over sticker and you're fortunate to get it at MSRP much less below sticker.

      Also the MF on a S3 is way better than the R, so your effective interest rate on the Audi is closer to .25% vs the 3.

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      12-21-2016 01:44 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by DasCC View Post
      not quite... the issue with your assumptions is that you are paying MSRP on both cars. that's not the case with either of them.... With a bit of negotiation you can easily get 10%+ knocked off a higher trim S3 while most R cars are priced over sticker and you're fortunate to get it at MSRP much less below sticker.

      Also the MF on a S3 is way better than the R, so your effective interest rate on the Audi is closer to .25% vs the 3.
      Finance rates are tough to ball park. I just chose 3% for down the middle of the road and to show you roughly how it all works out. If you go to a VW dealer and they have an R priced above msrp, they are not the type of dealer I would want to be working with. S3's may be more negotiable and there are two ways to look at that. They are manufacturing lager runs then the R (which kills resale value and there for kills your residual on the lease) or they just aren't selling and dealers are dumping them and taking just Audi USA kick backs and selling them as losers (below invoice and there for actually losing money on the deal to try and make volume). I don't work for Audi so I have no clue to a solid set in stone reason why they negotiate more but those tend to be the main reasons. Just FYI that $42900 msrp on the audi is for the base model. it will get up to 46k.

      Being in sales it's tough cause at the end of the day you negotiate to a point and you have to realize it's still a business and there still needs to be profit (acceptable profit). Don't get me wrong I know plenty of dealers that don't care and sell bottom barrel deals all day long and try to make it on volume but it just doesn't work on the customer service end. Then you are so worried about banging 3-6 cars out a day to make a living and you don't even try to build that relationship with your customers. Which brings you referrals and keeps the customer coming back to your dealer time and time again.

      Last edited by malarkey; 12-21-2016 at 10:01 AM.

    12. 12-21-2016 11:32 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by malarkey View Post
      If you go to a VW dealer and they have an R priced above msrp, they are not the type of dealer I would want to be working with.......

      ...........Being in sales it's tough cause at the end of the day you negotiate to a point and you have to realize it's still a business and there still needs to be profit (acceptable profit). Don't get me wrong I know plenty of dealers that don't care and sell bottom barrel deals all day long and try to make it on volume but it just doesn't work on the customer service end. Then you are so worried about banging 3-6 cars out a day to make a living and you don't even try to build that relationship with your customers. Which brings you referrals and keeps the customer coming back to your dealer time and time again.

      There definitely is the ability to do both. We sell our R's for anywhere between msrp and $1500 over msrp. Not one has sold below msrp

      We are also a top 20 volume dealer in the country and we are always top 10 or so for customer service.

      Not saying its easy to balance high volume and maintain the customer relationships but it is certainly possible.

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      01-25-2017 08:48 PM #12
      So it's cheaper to buy a more expensive car in the S3. Stupid VWOA should be pushing the R and actually try to get them on the road...
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      01-26-2017 01:18 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      So it's cheaper to buy a more expensive car in the S3. Stupid VWOA should be pushing the R and actually try to get them on the road...

      well cheaper to lease. overall price with the S3 will be more.

      Its really down to placement in the lineup. The S3 is at the bottom of the performance lineup with Audi, so there is more wiggle room and incentives. The R is VWs halo.

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      01-27-2017 11:42 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by DasCC View Post
      well cheaper to lease. overall price with the S3 will be more.

      Its really down to placement in the lineup. The S3 is at the bottom of the performance lineup with Audi, so there is more wiggle room and incentives. The R is VWs halo.
      The R will cost 42k and the S3 starts at 42 with 10% off easily. They are almost the same price.
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      01-27-2017 08:20 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      The R will cost 42k and the S3 starts at 42 with 10% off easily. They are almost the same price.
      Also forgot to mention that the Golf R is limited production and the S3's as far as I am aware is not.

    17. 03-17-2017 03:00 PM #16
      I can get my customers into one for around $650 Canadian including taxes depending on a few factory such as how they equip their R, if it has the tech pack, how many KMS the lease is etc etc.

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