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    1. 04-22-2016 02:08 PM #51
      I think if you need to ask a "serious question" about something as straightforward as this, you're either trolling, stupid, or being a jerk.

      I own a 2013 Kia Rio 5. I bought it for my Fiance. Why did we buy it? It had all the features she wanted, and then some, it had long warranty coverage, it drove competently enough for its class (despite what speeedracer Ross says about handling), a lightly used one was significantly cheaper than its rivals with less content. It has never put a foot wrong, it's economical, servicing it is very easy, and it's an attractive little hatch IMO.

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      04-22-2016 02:11 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Ironically one of my favorite Zipcars in the compact sedan class is the Kia Forte. The Audi interior influence is obvious and it was a leap better than the 9th generation Civic that was on sale at the same time.
      Funny you mention this because while at the NYIAS, the Forte really caught my attention. Now how often does a econobox grab your attention at a venue packed with bad ass eye candy?








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      04-22-2016 02:16 PM #53
      Because Kia makes decent cars? Stupid question.

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      04-22-2016 02:25 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by xo_vw View Post
      Agreed. Especially if you are keeping the car for a long time, who cares about resale. Not everyone cares about driving dynamics, if they did, then Camrys and the like wouldn't sell. Most people just want a reliable, affordable car to get them from point A to B.

      If I compare a generic Toyota sedan (let's say Camry) to generic Kia sedan (let's say Optima), the Kia comes out ahead in a lot of categories except for possibly MPG (might not matter w/ gas prices) and resale.
      Resale always matters. Most people don't keep the car as long as they think they will, and if you get into an accident while paying the loan down, you could find your wallet in a painful situation.

      And yeah, not everyone cares about driving dynamics, but this is an enthusiast site right?

      Quote Originally Posted by BLK9GEN View Post
      As for your opinions, they are just that, opinions. Ones that do not line up with the vast majority of the buying public and automotive press I might add. The last Optima looked the part, but wasn't the best in class to drive, but it certainly wasn't comparable to a 1995 Corolla, get off it.
      I'm glad to not be on this bandwagon.

      I drove that Optima back-to-back with an Accord and a Passat. No comparison. The Optima felt ten years or more behind the other cars and it was noticeably slower (gutless in fact) despite having the same displacement and HP as the Accord. Either the transmissions are just that bad (a distinct possibility), or the Kia was making a lot less HP than advertised (which has certainly happened before) or the Honda was making much more than the rated HP. I don't know. But the difference was vast and it made a pretty bad impression on me.

      My wife drove it and said "this is a NEW car?"

      Or let's take the Rio. Awful little car with scary handling traits at speed, and steering that didn't re-center when taking turns. Oh, the quality!
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    6. 04-22-2016 02:25 PM #55
      if I was given or won a Kia I would own it. Own it right to the nearest car lot and sell it. Sure they are pretty good and a decent value for most people. Seams like they carbon copy several other brands and paste all together in their models.

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      04-22-2016 02:29 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      I guess if subjective aesthetic criteria were the only things that mattered, you'd have a point. KIA products do look nice.

      But, they don't handle well, they don't have very refined powertrains, and long-term resale and reliability don't hold up. And, they really aren't any cheaper anymore.
      I'm sorry.. how does a Crosstour handle better than an Optima?

      Based on current lineups (until a Type R hatch shows up), I'd consider buying neither, but if I had a gun to my head I'd probably look more closely at Kia.
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      04-22-2016 02:30 PM #57
      The only Kia I would ever consider is the Elan or its renamed Japanese brother the Vigato.

      All the looks of a Lotus but with the reliability of a licensed Bosch fuel injected non turbo engine.
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      04-22-2016 02:31 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Robstr View Post
      If you want a car that's pretty good and pretty cheap and has a pretty long warranty.

      Sounds like a pretty smart choice for many.
      Done. I like them actually

    10. 04-22-2016 02:37 PM #59
      If I got a job where I was paid to walk Hamsters. I would then purchase a Kia Soul.....


      Seriously though I really do like the Kia Sorento and would use to transport my bicycles.

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      04-22-2016 02:38 PM #60
      Anecdote time. The wife and I are looking to replace the old Passat and I mentioned a Kia Sportage as you can pick up a fairly new one for $15-16k. She replied, "I am NOT driving a Kia!" And that was that. Guess there's still some stigma associated with the name. I think Kia is fine. I wouldn't mind driving one at all.

      Then my wife goes on to say, "I don't want an SUV...." me -YES!!!! "...I want a Prius V or a Crosstour." me - Nooooooooo!!!
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      04-22-2016 02:40 PM #61
      I'd totally buy a Soul new if I had the need for one. I think it's a great choice; great options available, nice place to be inside, drive very competitively, and a form factor that is immensely practical. And from what I've seen, their resale has been decent (perhaps not Honda Fit strong, but better than a typical Kia/Hyundai of old).

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      04-22-2016 02:41 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      And yeah, not everyone cares about driving dynamics, but this is an enthusiast site right?
      You can be enthusiastic about all kinds of different things.
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      04-22-2016 02:43 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      You can be enthusiastic about all kinds of different things.
      Even this?

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      04-22-2016 02:49 PM #64
      I almost pulled the trigger on an Optima back in 2011, that's when the new body styles were out. However no manual in the V6 higher end model so I ditched it.
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      04-22-2016 02:53 PM #65
      A Kia is one of the best values you can get. Great reliability. Numerous features and great tech. Low price of entry, especially used. Getting caught up in the badge is a loser's game.
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      04-22-2016 02:56 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Maroon View Post
      Anecdote time. The wife and I are looking to replace the old Passat and I mentioned a Kia Sportage as you can pick up a fairly new one for $15-16k. She replied, "I am NOT driving a Kia!" And that was that. Guess there's still some stigma associated with the name. I think Kia is fine. I wouldn't mind driving one at all.

      Then my wife goes on to say, "I don't want an SUV...." me -YES!!!! "...I want a Prius V or a Crosstour." me - Nooooooooo!!!
      My sister had such a good experience in her early 2000s Sportage (replaced w/ a Civic when it was totaled) that she still, to this day, wants another one.



      As for myself, I would happily drive a Soul if it had better mileage (and a stick in higher than base trims) or a Forte 5. Nothing wrong with either of those cars.
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      04-22-2016 03:03 PM #67
      You buy one when you want to turn heads. I thought everyone knew that?

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      04-22-2016 03:05 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      Funny you mention this because while at the NYIAS, the Forte really caught my attention. Now how often does a econobox grab your attention at a venue packed with bad ass eye candy?
      Ugh! I'm mildly upset I went to the show with a badgewhore. Didn't see the Kia floor space at all.

      The Koup is my pick in the compact Kia range. Poor resale just makes it all the cheaper to buy used

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      04-22-2016 03:05 PM #69
      Rented a previous gen Kia Carnival SWB diesel in Korea a couple years ago. Was a totally decent family hauler.
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      04-22-2016 03:11 PM #70
      I have never owned a Kia, but my wife bought a 2008 hyundai elantra pretty basic model with a 5 speed. It was a fantastic little beater. Never gave us a single problem. I have no problem with Kia, i think they make a great car. They don't build my dream car but im not sure why i would be all judgy of people who drive them. Get over yourself.


      Edit: i did rent a Kia once, it was a little hatch back, a Rio maybe? It was decent. Good car for the price.
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      04-22-2016 03:13 PM #71
      I was looking at a minivan for our children's sitter (working the payment as part of how we are paying the sitter) and the Kia Sedona was the winnar even after looking at Toyota, Honda, Chrysler and Nissan. I'd like to get an AWD Genesis with nav but they make you take almost 10k in options before you can have one and its like Fuuuuuck that. For 50k I am buying an Audi, Merc or Beimer.
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      04-22-2016 03:16 PM #72
      I already have a 2-seat, RWD, 6M sports car, so i'm looking to add a more appliance-like DD to the fleet sometime, and i like 5-door hatchbacks...

      Quote Originally Posted by ColinAndrews View Post
      I own a 2013 Kia Rio 5. Why did we buy it? It had all the features she wanted, and then some, it had long warranty coverage, it drove competently enough for its class (despite what speeedracer Ross says about handling), a lightly used one was significantly cheaper than its rivals with less content. It has never put a foot wrong, it's economical, servicing it is very easy, and it's an attractive little hatch IMO.
      ...the Forte5 has my attention for all these reasons. I prefer its styling, both exterior & interior (sorry gti_Matt), over the comparable Hyundai Elantra GT. See below? It's nice!

      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      Funny you mention this because while at the NYIAS, the Forte really caught my attention. Now how often does a econobox grab your attention at a venue packed with bad ass eye candy?







      even Matt Farah (TheSmokingTire) was complimentary about the Forte Koup he recently took for a One Take drive/review.

      Quote Originally Posted by mittencuh View Post
      Because Kia makes decent cars? Stupid question.
      Yeah, this isn't the '90s (read: Sephia) or the aughts (read: Spectra) anymore! I'd probably prefer a Cee'd, but that's not an option here

      My "Like" for KIA began 10+years ago when i had a Sportage rental in Costa Rica; had very low expectations and was surprisingly impressed
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      04-22-2016 03:24 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by clutchrider View Post
      I almost pulled the trigger on an Optima back in 2011, that's when the new body styles were out. However no manual in the V6 higher end model so I ditched it.
      Wut? There is no V6 offering. Only the base 2.4 (available manual in LX trim) and the 2.0T with no manual to be had.

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      04-22-2016 03:29 PM #74
      If I was one of those people who calls all 4-cylinders "V4s" and bases vehicle purchases off warranty lengths and standard equipment lists.



      Quote Originally Posted by RS-SIX View Post
      You guys are missing the point with manuals...not only does not one want to drive a manual, many active safety systems do not work with manual transmissions. Soon manual trans cars are going to be the most dangerous cars on the road. If they dont die a natural death, they will be outlawed.

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      04-22-2016 04:02 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      I drove that Optima back-to-back with an Accord and a Passat. No comparison. The Optima felt ten years or more behind the other cars and it was noticeably slower (gutless in fact) despite having the same displacement and HP as the Accord. Either the transmissions are just that bad (a distinct possibility), or the Kia was making a lot less HP than advertised (which has certainly happened before) or the Honda was making much more than the rated HP. I don't know. But the difference was vast and it made a pretty bad impression on me.

      My wife drove it and said "this is a NEW car?"
      Outside of the impressive V6 and excellent, but extremely limited 6MT, there is nothing class-leading about the Accord. It's quite ho-hum to look at, especially on the inside, compared to a Mazda 6 or Optima.

      What Honda branded vehicle sold here offers a panoramic roof, quilted nappa leather, a DCT, a 10 speaker 630 watt Harman/Kardon sound system, 12 way power driver and 10 way power passenger seat (both with adjustable lumbar support), power folding mirrors, LED interior lighting w/ exterior LED door handle courtesy lights, cooled front seats, heated steering wheel, etc. Then there are intangibles you can't tell from the spec sheet like the Optima's excellent (for a non-luxury vehicle) switchgear feel/ergonomics and infotainment - truly some of the best you will find these days. Much like old Honda in that regard.

      You may not like the Optima, or any Kia for that matter, but it's not like you don't have to sacrifice just as much if not more more with Honda these days. CVT, cheap interiors, horrible paint, plasticky leather seating, 4 way adjustable passenger seat, etc. If you think the Accord is outright better than the new Optima you either have an overwhelming bias or a very specific set of needs that allows you to only see the good in Honda and the worst in Kia.
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