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      09-11-2015 11:33 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by MCTB View Post
      Most useless spy shots ever.
      Not saying much

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    3. 09-12-2015 12:05 AM #27
      head lights, tail lgihts, door hinges, hood hinges all look like they could fit a Jeep from the 70's. I was hoping something more drastic. There's enough JK's around.
      Right tool for the right job

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      09-12-2015 08:05 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by sentinel223 View Post
      head lights, tail lgihts, door hinges, hood hinges all look like they could fit a Jeep from the 70's. I was hoping something more drastic. There's enough JK's around.
      I hope you are joking

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      09-12-2015 08:24 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by VapedTalon View Post
      The reason they are testing the 2 door is because that is the one getting the wheelbase changing, which 2 door people have been looking for since the launch of the JK. The older LJ was close to being the perfect size and this newer spy shot looks to be an additional 3-4 inches longer. This will allow for more rear leg room and a bit of a smoother/less twitchy ride.
      I'm guessing they stretched it to fit the 8 speed auto in it.

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      09-12-2015 08:33 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by R32Rich View Post
      I'm guessing they stretched it to fit the 8 speed auto in it.
      That and a few other things.
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      09-12-2015 09:07 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by R32Rich View Post
      I'm guessing they stretched it to fit the 8 speed auto in it.
      I would bet a lot of money on that.
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      09-12-2015 02:49 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by R32Rich View Post
      I'm guessing they stretched it to fit the 8 speed auto in it.
      Likely, here is to hoping it gets at least 25mpg...
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      09-12-2015 04:12 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by patrickvr6 View Post
      I'm just dumping on MCTB because he likes to make blanket statements claiming that no one wants\buys them.
      Nobody does - except for Wrangler owners. It's the exception that proves the rule. Outside Jeep, the 2-door SUV is deader than a doornail.
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      09-12-2015 04:17 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by g60vwr View Post
      Likely, here is to hoping it gets at least 25mpg...
      That's probably a bit optimistic. The Grand Cherokee is a sleeker vehicle and it gets 24mpg highway with the 8AT and 3.6V6; the current Wrangler gets 20 hwy. The new Wrangler is supposed to be lighter and have better aero, but it's still a Wrangler - smart money is on a 15% or so improvement. I'd be astonished if they pushed much higher than 23-24 - which sounds paltry, but it's a 20% improvement.

      I'd expect 28-30mpg highway out of the diesel.
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      09-12-2015 04:20 PM #35
      We need to have the definition of 'test mule' as a sticky.

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    13. 09-14-2015 03:37 AM #37
      Dang another polished turd that looks like the last 30 years


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      09-14-2015 06:25 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Vdubnubi View Post
      Dang another polished turd that looks like the last 30 years


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      Wat?


    15. 09-14-2015 07:45 AM #39
      Lol atleast shape, lights and grill changed. Plus the GTI doesn't sound like your driving in a tank on the highway for 30+g


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      09-14-2015 08:29 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Clarkson View Post
      I've seen videos of that thing and if I ever saw it, I would burn it to the ground.
      That thing is creepy!
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      09-14-2015 09:28 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Vdubnubi View Post
      Lol atleast shape, lights and grill changed. Plus the GTI doesn't sound like your driving in a tank on the highway for 30+g


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      The shape, lights, and grille have changed more on the Wrangler than you probably realize.







      Vehicles like the Wrangler, 911, Mini Cooper, Beetle, and to a lesser extent, the Golf, are somewhat defined by their familiar shapes and front end graphics. This is an asset, not "polishing a turd for 30 years" as you said in your previous post. Hell, VW is so proud of the deliberate evolution of the Golf, that they frequently publish photos of the generations together.

      Regarding the Jeep sounding like a tank, a four door hardtop with factory tires and factory ride height is a pretty quiet ride. Add aftermarket off road tires and the interior decibels will certainly increase, but Wrangler owners who modify their Jeeps expect and even like the added road noise.
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      09-14-2015 10:05 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      That's probably a bit optimistic. The Grand Cherokee is a sleeker vehicle and it gets 24mpg highway with the 8AT and 3.6V6; the current Wrangler gets 20 hwy. The new Wrangler is supposed to be lighter and have better aero, but it's still a Wrangler - smart money is on a 15% or so improvement. I'd be astonished if they pushed much higher than 23-24 - which sounds paltry, but it's a 20% improvement.

      I'd expect 28-30mpg highway out of the diesel.
      Its certainly possible. My Wrangler with the 6 speed manual and 3.21 rear end can get 24mpg hwy at 70mph, 26mpg if you hypermile it.

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      09-14-2015 10:28 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Vdubnubi View Post
      Lol atleast shape, lights and grill changed. Plus the GTI doesn't sound like your driving in a tank on the highway for 30+g
      Are you really arguing the merits of a GTI in a thread about its polar opposite.

      Really?



      I've driven all manner of VWs over the years and not a damn one of them, including my Baja Bug, could do what a Jeep does. If you can't understand that then I can't help you.
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      09-14-2015 10:29 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by GruuvenNorth View Post
      I've seen videos of that thing and if I ever saw it, I would burn it to the ground.
      That thing is creepy!
      Yeah, that thing looks like it belongs in a horror movie.
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      09-14-2015 10:35 AM #45
      i wonder if jeep has ever considered putting better headlights on the wrangler.. I mean, they are quite possibly the worst headlights i have ever experienced on a vehicle (i've owned two JK wranglers). It wouldn't even cost much more to put something better on and make it safer to drive.

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      09-14-2015 11:25 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Tan View Post
      i wonder if jeep has ever considered putting better headlights on the wrangler.. I mean, they are quite possibly the worst headlights i have ever experienced on a vehicle (i've owned two JK wranglers). It wouldn't even cost much more to put something better on and make it safer to drive.
      Im sure they will...Ive dropped in LED headlights in mine and it fixes all of the concerns about the oem ones...I have a feeling Jeep will go that direction with the next gen.

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      09-14-2015 11:35 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by horsty69 View Post
      Im sure they will...Ive dropped in LED headlights in mine and it fixes all of the concerns about the oem ones...I have a feeling Jeep will go that direction with the next gen.
      Which ones did you go with? I've seen the projector style with multiple elements in the housing and the ones that look more like a reflector/sealed beam design. The first ones look kinda weird to me on the vehicle (just not what the brain expects to see) but they might perform better. I also don't want to spend a ton of money, so I may just duct tape like 24 of those free harbor freight flashlights in the housings and call it a day
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      09-14-2015 11:58 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by horsty69 View Post
      Im sure they will...Ive dropped in LED headlights in mine and it fixes all of the concerns about the oem ones...I have a feeling Jeep will go that direction with the next gen.
      ...hopefully they will. Its the only thing lacking on the wrangler at this point.

      Quote Originally Posted by zmt View Post
      Which ones did you go with? I've seen the projector style with multiple elements in the housing and the ones that look more like a reflector/sealed beam design. The first ones look kinda weird to me on the vehicle (just not what the brain expects to see) but they might perform better. I also don't want to spend a ton of money, so I may just duct tape like 24 of those free harbor freight flashlights in the housings and call it a day

      my dad installed the Quadratec LED lights on his JK rubicon. They are a MASSIVE improvement over stock, and they dont look weird like the JW speaker ones you are probably talking about. They were cheap too, i think he paid $400 or less and they came with the anti flicker harness included. Install is incredibly easy too. I think it took me a half hour from start to finish

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      09-14-2015 11:59 AM #49
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      09-14-2015 12:06 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by VapedTalon View Post
      The reason they are testing the 2 door is because that is the one getting the wheelbase changing, which 2 door people have been looking for since the launch of the JK. The older LJ was close to being the perfect size and this newer spy shot looks to be an additional 3-4 inches longer. This will allow for more rear leg room and a bit of a smoother/less twitchy ride.
      I'm not getting rid of my TJ and buying one but this is pretty much what I would want. 2 door with longer wheel base like the LJ was to the TJ. I don't need or want 4 doors necessarily I just want something longer.

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