BS. Never had a car or been in a car that's heated very quickly in the winter.
Pretty much every single older car (lets say, pre 2000) I've driven the heater would start blowing warm air in less than 2 minutes in subfreezing temps. Usually I'd feel the air getting noticably warmer just driving around the block. In a few minutes, it's turn hot and I'd get comfortable quick.
I've had a 06 and 10 MB, and 10 Miata. The heaters in those were useless for short trips. I wouldn't get warm air in less than 10 minutes. My commute to work is 15 minutes. I'd be downright cold for the first 7-8 minutes, then get somewhat warmer... but only get finally hot and toasty when I was only about 2-3 minutes away from work. So most of the time I'd be freezing cold while driving because goddamn heaters take so long to warm up.
Right now I drive a beater 99' Subaru and this thing heats up almost instanteneously.
Anybody else noticed this or was this just case of particular cars I've had?
Same exact problem!!
I drive my car like a maniac for the 1st 10 min, pedal to the metal between traffic lights, frantically trying to get the engine temp up so that I can get some damn heat.
And the seat heaters suck too.
And it's not even sub-freezing.
Even my TDI had some heat coming after 5 minutes or less (TDI's are notorious for weak heaters)... My BMW has heat within a minute, car is perfectly warm in about 5 or less. My dad's XC70 also gets hot quickly... both cars the heated seats make you pretty toasty in a few mins, feel good warmth in under 1 minute. I swear my BMW's seat heaters take the edge off of the cold seat in about 10 seconds or less.
Your cars are broken or you don't know how to set up the heater... can't turn the fan on full blast and expect heat. For the first minute you should only run the fan at low speed, then after a minute or two turn it up... need to let heat build up in the heater core before you really crank the fan. A bit of warmth will come out when the fan is low. Watch an auto-climate system work, this is how it control the heaters too.
I noticed this the other morning too. My 77 Corolla would start blowing warm air after around 30secs, and I would have to turn the heater tap back down from full after 2 minutes or so.
Something to do with using copper heater cores being more efficient perhaps?
09 GTI definitely takes more than 5 mins to warm up... and on a very cold days, the temperature would even go down while standing at red lights. I guess that's mainly because of the iron engine block in a comparison to aluminum.
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My GTI is blowing heat about a mile from home. The TDI is cold for about 6. I blame the difference in efficiency.
The TDI also can't maintain operating temperature if it's left idling.
What's the tempurature you guys are complaining about? we had about 2 weeks of -15 - -25 *C. Heat in 5 minutes in a TDI? Yeah right lol. It would start blowing warm air in about 5 mins. Not to mention the temp guage doesnt even get close to 1/4.
I have the plug in heater so when it's cold, the coolan circulates warm but on days i get too lazy to plug it in, I pay for it on the drive to work for 10 mins.
Easy like Sunday Morning.
Part of the difference here is that modern aluminum blocks naturally dissipate heat better than the old iron blocks did. Modern cooling systems are also generally designed to deal with more power (and ultimately more heat) so that excess capacity is probably increasing warm up time as well.
The 135i starts blowing slightly warm pretty quickly, but it takes a long time to really heat up.
In my 335i, I don't even attempt to get any heat out of the engine till the coolant temp reaches 180F. This is happens relatively quickly since the electric coolant pump is shut off during warm up.
Full heat is not available till the OIL gets to 180F and that takes about 10 miles of driving.
EDIT: I love my heated seats and so does whichever girl that gets to ride in the front seat.
I think the aluminum/iron block makes quite the difference. My mom's CR-V blows warm air within a couple of minutes, and reaches normal operating temperature within about 7 or 8. My MKV TDI takes a little more than 10 for the temp needle to start to move and blow non-cold air. And it takes a lot longer to warm up to operating temp.
Granted the efficiency thing is also pretty important, because as soon as the temp hits about -15*C (~5*F), my TDI won't actually reach operating temperature unless I'm beating on it a bit. And when I crank the heat up to full, it sucks the heat away from the engine and drops the coolant temp.
Her CR-V gets ~600km to a tank and my TDI gets about 1000, so a fair tradeoff I'd say!
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I've noticed this too.. My 2008.5 GTI takes a bit to get heat.. but what's weird is my Mom's 2009 A4 with the same TSI motor takes no time at all
but yes, in general, newer cars seem to take longer than 80's/90's stuff from what I've seen.
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