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    1. 02-09-2013 07:37 PM #1
      Pictures of the new commodore were released today by Holden, although this is the "luxury" model (Calais) and the Chevy SS will be the "sports" model, but it will at least look similar to this one just with different bumpers and things like that

      http://www.motoring.com.au/news/larg...revealed-34958

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      02-09-2013 08:05 PM #2
      5 more days until Daytona reveal

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      02-09-2013 08:12 PM #3
      The next great 4-door American RWD sedan everyone here claims to want but will only buy used.
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    4. 02-09-2013 08:28 PM #4
      And was designed/developed in Aus...

    5. 02-09-2013 10:03 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      The next great 4-door American RWD sedan everyone here claims to want but will only buy used.
      GM is only offering it as a limited run model so they will not run into having them sit on dealership lots like the G8. I could see it being popular with people who want Corvette performance but want a sedan.

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      02-10-2013 01:48 AM #6
      More on the design and engineering process of the interior:

      http://www.caradvice.com.au/212807/h...esigners-lair/

      http://www.caradvice.com.au/212813/h...-global-focus/



      Parts sharing with other GM models is something the VF Commodore adopts heavily, particularly compared with the VE.

      The interior door handles (above) are borrowed from an Opel Insignia, the indicator stalks, door locks, head-up display buttons, rotary-dial headlight switch, and power window switches from the Holden/Chevrolet Volt.

      That’s also something Smith believes has changed, philosophically, since the creation of the VE, and will continue to change when the next Commodore utilises a global architecture.

      “We have three levels of sharing,” he says. “Parts that are literally shared, parts where the guts are shared, and parts where the solution is shared.

      “Again, the good thing has been that rather than get forced to use stuff, we can go through and find things that have been validated time and time again on other products.

      “Quite often, a lot of the corporate parts we’re using on here are first time use… It really is leveraging the global engineering network and supplier network, but still making sure the customer gets a unique vehicle”.
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      02-10-2013 04:24 AM #7
      One thing that would be pretty darn hard to change at Holden... a built quality, which is shoddy to say the least.

      Other than that, this major facelift looks good. I wonder if they are finally going to put a 4cyl petrol and diesel engines in it.
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    8. 02-10-2013 06:35 AM #8
      Aussie build quality is good afaik

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      02-10-2013 09:23 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by amdmaxx View Post
      Aussie build quality is good afaik
      J-Tim says something different and I believe he's from there.
      My only experience is a Rental '09 Commodore SV6 that I drove for a couple of days. Absolutely nothing wrong with that car, drove very well even with the "lowely" 3.6 V6 (265 bhp). Build quality was very good, inside and out. It had an auto tranny ofcourse but I didn't mind, wish I could have something like that back here

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      02-10-2013 11:20 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by J-Tim View Post
      One thing that would be pretty darn hard to change at Holden... a built quality, which is shoddy to say the least.

      Other than that, this major facelift looks good. I wonder if they are finally going to put a 4cyl petrol and diesel engines in it.
      I've always noticed you've never been a fan of their "build quality". Just curious, but how do you define that, because I see little if any difference in how well the componentry is manufactured and assembled... and the material grade... vs their competitors.

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      02-10-2013 11:27 AM #11
      Does this share a platform with the new Impala (didn't read the article...)?

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      02-10-2013 11:41 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by GRN6IX View Post
      Does this share a platform with the new Impala (didn't read the article...)?
      No Impala is on LWB Epsilon FWD. This is on the Holden VF/Zeta RWD platform.

      It looks good. Obviously a heavy upgrade, but still looks different enough. Hope the Chevy front end looks better (not a fan of the grille....too big). Rear end look good. Taillights are straight off the Passat CC though! Interested to find out what engines it will have...
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      02-10-2013 12:03 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by jetta9103 View Post
      No Impala is on LWB Epsilon FWD. This is on the Holden VF/Zeta RWD platform.

      It looks good. Obviously a heavy upgrade, but still looks different enough. Hope the Chevy front end looks better (not a fan of the grille....too big). Rear end look good. Taillights are straight off the Passat CC though! Interested to find out what engines it will have...
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      02-10-2013 12:16 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by jetta9103 View Post
      Both cars are 4 doors with 4 wheels

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      02-10-2013 12:29 PM #15
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    16. 02-10-2013 12:39 PM #16
      Output some then

    17. 02-10-2013 12:40 PM #17
      LT1 confirmed in it yet?

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      02-10-2013 12:42 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Both cars are 4 doors with 4 wheels
      If you read my post, I was only comparing the taillights.
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      02-10-2013 12:54 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by jetta9103 View Post
      If you read my post, I was only comparing the taillights.
      Not even the taillights are the same.

      The surface geometry on the rear of both cars is completely different, with the Holden having a bit of a "Bangle Butt" and the VW having a more traditional trunk lid. The outer form of the Holden's lamp is on the fender, while the inner portion is on the trunk lid. The VW has a more integrated form. More importantly and obviously, the Holden (since it has to do double duty as a Chevy) has a taillight design that is an evolution of current Malibu's rear-end.

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      02-10-2013 01:00 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by above8k View Post
      LT1 confirmed in it yet?
      4-cyl Ecotec and a hybrid with 138 hp.
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      02-10-2013 01:16 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Not even the taillights are the same.

      The surface geometry on the rear of both cars is completely different, with the Holden having a bit of a "Bangle Butt" and the VW having a more traditional trunk lid. The outer form of the Holden's lamp is on the fender, while the inner portion is on the trunk lid. The VW has a more integrated form. More importantly and obviously, the Holden (since it has to do double duty as a Chevy) has a taillight design that is an evolution of current Malibu's rear-end.
      Agreed they are definitely GM-design dictated. New Malibu & even Cruze. They do resemble the CC though at first glance.
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      02-10-2013 06:19 PM #22
      Looks pretty boring in press shots, in person it will look like a 90s rental car.

      Can't go wrong with RWD/V8 though.

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      02-10-2013 07:17 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by uncleho View Post
      I've always noticed you've never been a fan of their "build quality". Just curious, but how do you define that, because I see little if any difference in how well the componentry is manufactured and assembled... and the material grade... vs their competitors.
      You look at Commodores that are older than say 3 years and you'll see what I mean. From interior pieces falling apart, to all sorts of engine and transmission issues.

      Those cars are cheap for a reason.
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      02-10-2013 07:19 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by J-Tim View Post
      You look at Commodores that are older than say 3 years and you'll see what I mean. From interior pieces falling apart, to all sorts of engine and transmission issues.

      Those cars are cheap for a reason.
      from my experience with the G8 GT we had, I wholeheartedly agree.

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      02-10-2013 07:25 PM #25
      I like the G8 way better.

      Hope the SS comes in a stick shift.
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