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    1. Member The Big V's Avatar
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      10-03-2011 05:12 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Minor_Threat View Post
      no i acutally don't have any hang or rise inbetween shifting. I just have the cold idle issue, I did unplug my MAF and made no difference, plus I'm throwing a current code for the MAF sensor
      is it still the original 1998 wolfsburg engine and ecu that you are currently using??
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      10-03-2011 05:20 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Patrick007 View Post
      I don't... if someone has an extra they want to lend me to try it out I'd gladly do that. I also don't think you're off you're rocker. There must be a difference between the various years' ECU's that isn't being accounted for.

      http://www.autotech.com/product/chip...abbit-mkiii-2l

      Notice autotech requires the VW part number off the ECU when purchasing the chip. Perhaps they have determined the differences between the various ECU models?

      -Patrick
      Techtonics Tuning does the same thing....its generally for emissions and physical changes (SAI for instance) that aren't incorporated in all the tunes i thought...but asking for ECU #'s might lead me to think there's more to it and that maybe i'm not far off...
      http://techtonicstuning.com/main/ind...cPath=2_13_252
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      10-03-2011 06:13 PM #28
      I have the EXACT same issue as Patrick. My car is a 1996 VW Golf ABA 2.0 .

      Mods:
      BFI stage 2 flash, autotech 260* cam, evoms intake, msd ss coil, autotech 2.5" cat-back, 2.5" magnaflow high flow cat, & pace setter headers.

      Maintence & Troubleshooting:
      Replaced spark plugs, wires, coil, vacuum lines, pcv system, evap purge valve, distributor cap & button, maf, front o2, ait, throttle body, oil pressure sensor, oil is 5w30.

      ONLY code I am getting is the 16556 - System too Rich code.

      My throttle body is able to re-align itself every time I align it with VCDS.

      I have the REV hang and no my car didn't come with a SAI. Also, car sometimes dies in the morning whenever I crank it up from a cold start.
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      10-03-2011 06:32 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by The Big V View Post
      is it still the original 1998 wolfsburg engine and ecu that you are currently using??
      yes its still the same motor, I have a different ECU because my original one died and wouldn't let the car run the ECU is out of a 1998 wolfsburg though
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      10-03-2011 07:22 PM #30
      thanks GloryFreak and Minor_Threat....that sorta eliminates the ecu/year guess of mine...the 16556 code is the same as the p0172 CEL i believe...which often means MAF but we've all been down that road already...hmmmm...back to the drawing board.
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      10-03-2011 07:24 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by The Big V View Post
      thanks GloryFreak and Minor_Threat....that sorta eliminates the ecu/year guess of mine...the 16556 code is the same as the p0172 CEL i believe...which often means MAF but we've all been down that road already...hmmmm...back to the drawing board.
      It is http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...6/P0172/000370 and I bought a brand new MAF from german auto parts like a month ago. So that's not it.
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    7. 10-03-2011 09:35 PM #32
      so fellas heres my two cents once again...as u guys might have read in numerous post bout this issue i also have the popular set up (intake, bfi stage 2 chip, 270 cam, headers, no cat, 2.25 exhaust) also i should prob mention i have a 96 aba no SAI with a OBD1 head..cause i got a sweet deal on it ..anyways my CEL would pop up every day on my way home so i would reset the ECU using my ultragauge...then shopping around this fancy online store (ebay) came across an "air kompressor" for 30 bucks...suppose to send more air into the chambers. sounded like bull so i bought it anyways! its basically a huge vacuum leak if u think about it cause its lettting in air after the MAF(which i recent bought new from GAP.com) but check this out no more CEL....now i havent checked to see if our little friend is pending...which it probably is...its been a week CEL free so0o thats pretty bad ass...this is in no way fixing the problem...im pretty much fooling the o2 sensor cause im shooting xtra air into the chamber...BTW the little knockoff "kompressor" sucks in air like a beast...i hooked it up after the purge valve before the TB...sure u guys have somethign to say bout this set up but hey it works for me...also i was just told my steering rack is shot...i refuse to believe this so0 im gonna rip out the tie rods and hope for the best....ok TTFN

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      10-04-2011 05:34 PM #33
      PMed ya Patrick007 regarding BFI getting in touch with you
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    9. 10-04-2011 07:03 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by gtiswapped96 View Post
      so fellas heres my two cents once again...as u guys might have read in numerous post bout this issue i also have the popular set up (intake, bfi stage 2 chip, 270 cam, headers, no cat, 2.25 exhaust) also i should prob mention i have a 96 aba no SAI with a OBD1 head..cause i got a sweet deal on it ..anyways my CEL would pop up every day on my way home so i would reset the ECU using my ultragauge...then shopping around this fancy online store (ebay) came across an "air kompressor" for 30 bucks...suppose to send more air into the chambers. sounded like bull so i bought it anyways! its basically a huge vacuum leak if u think about it cause its lettting in air after the MAF(which i recent bought new from GAP.com) but check this out no more CEL....now i havent checked to see if our little friend is pending...which it probably is...its been a week CEL free so0o thats pretty bad ass...this is in no way fixing the problem...im pretty much fooling the o2 sensor cause im shooting xtra air into the chamber...BTW the little knockoff "kompressor" sucks in air like a beast...i hooked it up after the purge valve before the TB...sure u guys have somethign to say bout this set up but hey it works for me...also i was just told my steering rack is shot...i refuse to believe this so0 im gonna rip out the tie rods and hope for the best....ok TTFN

      WHAT????

    10. 10-04-2011 07:27 PM #35
      Yeap still CEL free boys...another day went by and nothing....I should probably hook up my ultragauge to see if its pending but to be honest I'm worried about what I'm gonna find.... I'm loving not seeing that light POP up on me on my ride home....so if anything its just delaying it...but hey its a step in the right direction right?

    11. 10-04-2011 08:49 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by tdogg74 View Post
      WHAT????
      No no no...

      This wasn't a "Oh my gosh, that's awesome" what.

      It was a "what the hell did you just type" what.

      I understood NONE of what you wrote. Especially the ebay part/massive vacuum leak part.

    12. 10-04-2011 08:57 PM #37
      Lol ok to make it short....cheap eBay part confuses o2 by sending more air into the chamber thus preventing my CEL ...and gave me 33mpg to h2oi....I've NEVER had good mileage like that..I probably have the code pending but aleast I'm not clearing my ecu everyday with my scanner....better?

    13. 10-04-2011 09:16 PM #38
      post a link to that part.

    14. 10-04-2011 09:55 PM #39
      http://www.dealextreme.com/p/hks-pow...vehicles-37502

      Basically this same thing...but on ebay...let the laughing begin...cause this is vortex and I know what the deal is with funny parts like these....but screw it cause it works for me

    15. 10-04-2011 10:19 PM #40
      i have a 98 aba with exactly that issue..the rpms hang at 2000 rpms then it jumps up and down a few times before it settles at idle(i'm glad i'm not the only one)i have replaced the following TB ,MAF, FPR, new coil , pcv system, evap purge valve,plugs and wires , coolant temp sensor , all vac lines replaced and tested and all new intake gaskets...then i put the stock chip back in and issue is gone..which leads me to believe its a software issue.....but i will say this i was really impressed with the performance of the 268 cam and stage 2 chip and the customer service so far hopefully the issue is resolved and i can enjoy my car again

      p.s also get the P0172 as well

      ill be watching this thread closely
      Last edited by bluntman220; 10-04-2011 at 10:28 PM.

    16. 10-05-2011 12:54 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Patrick007 View Post
      Okay I got it to take new values (currently set to 90, was 128) in channels 01-05. The idle is definitely lower, but the problem is still there. When I'm coming to a stop and put the clutch in the revs now oscillate between 1900 - 2100, and sometimes it never settles back down. If (when stopped) I use the clutch to pull the revs back down to idle, then it will stay at 850 and idle there, but if I rev the motor a little, again the revs climb back up to the 2000 range and oscillates around there. How is this not throwing a CEL? Would it be worth it to return the BFI chip and head over to C2? This is really pissing me off now.

      -Patrick
      100% exactly my issue

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      10-05-2011 01:08 AM #42
      i have no idea what you said either gtiswapped96...you put a compressor on your intake elbow after the MAF or before? like a BOV for n/a cars? it builds pressure? so wouldn't that make the car run richer? or it tells the MAF its already running more and it then tricks the ECU into running leaner? i'm confused.

      BFI contacted a few of us today and they are testing some new modified tunes for the cars to see if they can eliminate the problem...very impressed with their customer service right now.
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    18. 10-05-2011 06:21 AM #43
      Installed the line after the evap purge valve before the throttle body...stock hose already had a t-fitting so I used that....just sucks in xtra air after the maf sensor

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      10-05-2011 08:04 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by gtiswapped96 View Post
      Yeap still CEL free boys...another day went by and nothing....I should probably hook up my ultragauge to see if its pending but to be honest I'm worried about what I'm gonna find.... I'm loving not seeing that light POP up on me on my ride home....so if anything its just delaying it...but hey its a step in the right direction right?
      90% of the time i'm running rich, I get what I call a soft code that doesn't display on my dash...It is still stored in my cars ecu though.
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    20. 10-05-2011 09:00 AM #45
      I'm absolutely floored by that product. That thing is a piece of **** and a waste of money.

      What you 'installed' is a controlled vacuum leak.

      You are probably unaware of this, but that isnt 'tricking' anything from your ECU. Any unmetered air, not measured as load from the MAF, will be compensated for when the ECU cranks up your fueling trim table percentages. Or until you reached your maximum and the CEL throws one of the P017X codes. Motronic ignition is way smarter than you think. Even trying to trick the MAF with diodes would only work on the open loop cycle. The ECU is always trying to keep stioc (14.7) fueling in closed loop, and it wouldnt be till you went into an open loop would you see any difference. I could see this working on a MAP-based system, like a Honda (this is an HKS product after all).

      That being said.....

      I have no idea why something as stupid as this is keeping your CEL off. I would be curious to see what your short and long term fueling tables look like right now. I would bet that this...device...is only a short term band-aid and once your fuel trims are adjusted to compensate for the vacuum leak, you will get a CEL. I just cannot accept this as a 'fix' for this issue.

    21. 10-05-2011 10:43 AM #46
      Like I said in my previous post I'm completely aware that this is a vacuum leak....I also know that what I bought is a knock off hks part..if I woulda found one that had a big German flag stamped on it I woulda gotten that instead...I've tried everything imaginable to get rid of that code including pm'ing u numerous times about this code without any luck(which I'm not blaming u for cause I'm sure u get tons of messages about technical stuff) so I've gone with less traditional methods....now I'm not asking for any1 to "accept" what I did cause at the end of the day its my car and I'm the one that's gotta fix it....it just turns out that now my CEL won't come on everyday after I "installed" this knockoff ebay "controlled vacuum leak"....no sense in pointing fingers and laughing at the dude trying to figure his sh*t out...

      With that being said....
      I'm not here to knock on no one especially tdoggs cause he does help a lot of people here on vortex...I'm just trying to do my part in fixing a problem that a bunch of us are having

    22. 10-05-2011 10:54 AM #47
      My point was, you didn't fix anything. If you were getting a CEL every day, there is a HUGE issue within your system, either being fueling (MAF/O2) or vacuum related.

      What was the code you tripped every day?
      How do you know you were running too rich? Do you have a wideband AFR gauge? Or maybe VAGCOM printouts?

      Not trying to be a hard-ass, just trying to figure this out.

    23. 10-05-2011 11:15 AM #48
      P0172 bank 1 sensor 1 too rich...popped it everyday new maf new o2 sensor and can't find a vacuum leak anywhere other than the obvious one I have now....I would give u some VAG_COM info but to be honest I can't work it 100%. I only mess around with it when I try to adjust my tb....get pretty bad city mileage but great highway...she was giving me 33 mpg on the way to OC which I've never seen before

    24. 10-05-2011 11:29 AM #49
      And as far as my a/f gauge goes its divided into three parts lean,stoich,and rich....and most of the time it jumps from lean to rich back and forth like crazy, fluctuates a lot. Used an old school o2 sensor to hook it up(single wire type brand new)....I had an xtra Bung in my system so I figured y not, I really didnt wanna tap in to the factory o2 sensor wire

    25. 10-05-2011 11:32 AM #50
      That dithering back and forth is normal on a narrowband AFR gauge. Narrow band AFR gauges are useles when it comes to anything specific...they are just a pretty light show. It wont give you any specific info on how your fueling is doing.

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