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      04-12-2011 09:44 PM #1
      So I found this car for sale locally. Seller is looking at around $6000. Good deal ?
      Its a rebuilt motor, U.S. car with 150,000 miles.

      http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...AdIdZ273010377




      Then I found this one for sale.

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FULLY...b#ht_500wt_976

      Why such a difference in price ?

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      04-12-2011 09:49 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob. View Post
      Why such a difference in price ?
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      04-12-2011 09:50 PM #3
      The second seller is an idiot. You'd be paying the idiot tax.

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      04-12-2011 09:56 PM #4
      190E + monoblocks = sex

      buy it, change wheels = profit

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      04-12-2011 10:00 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by wonderboy! View Post
      190E + monoblocks = sex
      190E + monoblocks = clunky

      190E + race wheels = sex

      190E + Compomotive or turbo wheels = sex + drugs + Rock n'roll.




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      04-12-2011 10:03 PM #6
      lol I just stumbled across the 2nd one a little while ago, that guy is on crack.

      $6k sounds like a good price, depending on the condition.
      I like cars.

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      04-12-2011 10:11 PM #7
      6k is a good price depending on condition. The market price of these cars is highly variable, depending on condition, with the most completely stock cars generally commanding the highest prices. Prices over the last year or so seem to be $2k-15k, with the vast majority of them between $5k and $9k. Most of them have been modified terribly though.

      Edit: unless receipts prove otherwise, that first car most likely needs or will need head work and all timing chains and tensioners replaced. The valves must be adjusted religiously every 15k, and most of them haven't been. Expect this all to cost about 3 grand at a reputable shop.
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      04-12-2011 10:12 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      190E + monoblocks = clunky

      190E + race wheels = sex

      190E + Compomotive or turbo wheels = sex + drugs + Rock n'roll.
      Damn right mother f'er!

      Monoblocks on small Mercedes is not a good look.

      Turbo wheels on 190E Cossie = win

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      04-12-2011 10:25 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      190E + monoblocks = clunky

      190E + race wheels = sex

      190E + Compomotive or turbo wheels = sex + drugs + Rock n'roll.

      Agreed. And I'll take the Turbine Suburban in the background.
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      04-12-2011 10:28 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      190E + monoblocks = clunky

      190E + race wheels = sex

      190E + Compomotive or turbo wheels = sex + drugs + Rock n'roll.
      ahh those are sexy wheels, i just love the monoblocks tho, but yeah, those turbo wheels are amazing *fap time*

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      04-12-2011 10:39 PM #11
      Anyone watch wheeler dealers ?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkqlOaVQcmg

      The 190e at 3:11 of the video is sharp !!

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      04-12-2011 10:46 PM #12
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    13. 04-12-2011 10:54 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob. View Post
      Anyone watch wheeler dealers ?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkqlOaVQcmg

      The 190e at 3:11 of the video is sharp !!
      i dont understand that show. dudes dump cash into shed and are making 15% profit on them maybe. I know its all staged, but thats just dumb.

      2.3 16v's havent gotten nearly the amount of exposure that e30 m3's have. theyre not worth nearly as much, despite it being a much rarer car.

      Valve adjustments are key. besides that the only real problem areas are rust hiding underneath the body cladding and flares, and the rear levelling suspension. Besides that, its all the basic brick ****house built components thats benzes were built on back then.

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      04-12-2011 10:59 PM #14
      Rare indeed. Only 2000 190e 2.3 16v were made in 1986 and 1987.

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      04-12-2011 11:07 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob. View Post
      Rare indeed. Only 2000 190e 2.3 16v were made in 1986 and 1987.
      That's true, but a fair number of grey market cars made it into the US at least, increasing the true numbers by an unknown amount. They are also beginning to pass the 25 year mark, opening them up for legal import.
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      04-12-2011 11:11 PM #16
      I Just snagged an '86 with 113k miles but its a little sun beat, going to need a dash etc. etc... the 6k car looks fair for the money.

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      04-12-2011 11:25 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by zhenya00 View Post
      That's true, but a fair number of grey market cars made it into the US at least, increasing the true numbers by an unknown amount. They are also beginning to pass the 25 year mark, opening them up for legal import.
      My brother sold his grey market one to a guy from Canada couple of months ago. Great cars has the best stock suspension of any car I have driven.

    18. 04-20-2011 06:27 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by zhenya00 View Post
      Edit: unless receipts prove otherwise, that first car most likely needs or will need head work and all timing chains and tensioners replaced. The valves must be adjusted religiously every 15k, and most of them haven't been. Expect this all to cost about 3 grand at a reputable shop.
      why cosworth whyy

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      04-20-2011 06:37 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by teileguy View Post
      2.3 16v's havent gotten nearly the amount of exposure that e30 m3's have. theyre not worth nearly as much, despite it being a much rarer car.
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      Thats because they make about the same power a 325i does, only they weigh about 400lbs more then a 325i does....performance is on par with a 318, yet it was supposed to compete with an M3. To top it off, they stickered for about 7K more then an M3....which didnt help it sell any.

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      04-20-2011 11:49 PM #20
      i'd jump on it. i think these are the sexiest cars ever. even back in 87 when i was 9 i thought that. didn't really care about exotics. these and the amg hammer where my favs. my friend had this exact car and his roommate had a mint e30 m3 with 55k just a few years ago. they both sold them without even calling me to see if i'd be interested. each took about 8k for their cars. yeah, i was PISSED!!!!!

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      04-21-2011 12:45 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by a2a4raddo View Post
      Thats because they make about the same power a 325i does, only they weigh about 400lbs more then a 325i does....performance is on par with a 318, yet it was supposed to compete with an M3. To top it off, they stickered for about 7K more then an M3....which didnt help it sell any.
      a long time ago, i attended a local Philly-area Porsche club solo-type race course back in the early '90's(damn i'm old!)
      there was a Mercedes 190 16v racing there that day.it was the second fastest car in a group of about 35 or 40 Porches/VW/Chevy/BMW,etc. the fastest car there was (total surprise to me) an '88 Corvette.if i recall correctly,the car mags at the time mentioned that the 16v's stickered for a solid $10K more than the standard 190E--not sure how they compared to E30 M3's in price back then.they were both WAY out of my price range when i was a kid.i only had an '84 GTI back then..
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      04-21-2011 12:58 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by teileguy View Post
      besides that the only real problem areas are rust hiding underneath the body cladding and flares, and the rear levelling suspension. Besides that, its all the basic brick ****house built components thats benzes were built on back then.
      was about to post this

      check for rust. i dont think id bother buying another 190 again that had even driven through the midwest or canada

      many of the suspension parts are 16v specific...
      maintaining these guys isnt as cheap as keeping your average 8v 2.3 190 on the road

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      04-21-2011 03:44 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob. View Post
      Anyone watch wheeler dealers ?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkqlOaVQcmg

      The 190e at 3:11 of the video is sharp !!
      That 190E is the ****e! That is EXACTY how I would drop mine if I had one...and the money. I think it's the hottest car ever. Who cares if it's not fast? Slow and low.

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      04-21-2011 03:51 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by GahannaKid View Post
      The second seller is an idiot. You'd be paying the idiot tax.
      I agree it's high, but it looks incredibly clean. If he had all the receipts it might be worth it to someone who didn't want to have to do all that work themselves...and could afford it.

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      04-21-2011 03:58 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      I agree it's high, but it looks incredibly clean. If he had all the receipts it might be worth it to someone who didn't want to have to do all that work themselves...and could afford it.
      All the alleged work into that car and the seller can't do more than a small wall OF CRAYGLIST TEXT to "sell" that effort?

    26. 04-21-2011 04:35 PM #26
      How big of a headache are the valve adjustments?

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      04-21-2011 04:39 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      190E + monoblocks = clunky
      objection

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      04-21-2011 04:55 PM #28
      bolsters on rear seats = win

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      04-21-2011 05:01 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by speedworks1 View Post
      My brother sold his grey market one to a guy from Canada couple of months ago. Great cars has the best stock suspension of any car I have driven.
      Until it breaks.
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      04-21-2011 05:01 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by The Maytag Man View Post
      bolsters on rear seats = win
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      04-21-2011 07:09 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by a2a4raddo View Post
      Thats because they make about the same power a 325i does, only they weigh about 400lbs more then a 325i does....performance is on par with a 318, yet it was supposed to compete with an M3. To top it off, they stickered for about 7K more then an M3....which didnt help it sell any.
      So much fail.

      The US spec car weighs about 160lbs more than an '88 325i (100lbs more than a 4-door), yet has essentially the same performance specs, despite the extra weight, 2 fewer cylinders, and much earlier design. The 318i was nowhere near the same class. The 16v was on the market a full two years before the M3, so it is safe to say the M3 had NOTHING to do with its development. It'd actually be just the opposite.
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      04-21-2011 07:12 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by The Maytag Man View Post
      bolsters on rear seats = win



      Wondering if I could fit my legs in there. Just kidding...sort of..

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      04-21-2011 10:41 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by zhenya00 View Post
      So much fail.

      The US spec car weighs about 160lbs more than an '88 325i (100lbs more than a 4-door), yet has essentially the same performance specs, despite the extra weight, 2 fewer cylinders, and much earlier design. The 318i was nowhere near the same class. The 16v was on the market a full two years before the M3, so it is safe to say the M3 had NOTHING to do with its development. It'd actually be just the opposite.


      I was mistaken that it weighs 400lbs more then a 325i, it weighs 200lbs more then a 325i coupe(give or take a cpl lbs depending on options). And about 160lbs more then a 4-door. It does however weigh roughly 400lbs more then a us spec M3.

      Its quicker then a 318, but slower then a 325i.

      The 190E & 325is are both rated at 168hp.

      190e: 3,012lbs (17.9lbs per hp)
      325i 2 door: 2,811lbs
      325i 4-door: 2,844-50lbs (16.9lbs per hp)
      318i: 2,602-57lbs (19.8lbs per hp)

      I never said the 190e was built to compete with the m3. Niether was built to directly compet with the other per say. But they were both homologation specials. Both were based on lesser entry level cars that were diret competitors. So people have compared the two several times, so have magazines.

      The 190e 2.3-16 stickered for 41K iirc and the M3 was 34K.

      The 190e 2.3-16 is still an awesome car and one of my favorites from the 80's. I have driven 3 of them and enjoyed driving them. the buid quality, fit/finish are levels above any E30. They are just as special as the E30 M3, despite not being as popular. They are more exclusive, as they are rarer.
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      04-21-2011 11:39 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by a2a4raddo View Post
      not much fail really.

      I was mistaken that it weighs 400lbs more then a 325i, it weighs 200lbs more then a 325i coupe(give or take a cpl lbs depending on options). And about 160lbs more then a 4-door. It does however weigh roughly 400lbs more then a us spec M3.

      Its quicker then a 318, but slower then a 325i.

      The 190E & 325is are both rated at 168hp.

      190e: 3,012lbs (17.9lbs per hp)
      325i 2 door: 2,811lbs
      325i 4-door: 2,844-50lbs (16.9lbs per hp)
      318i: 2,602-57lbs (19.8lbs per hp)

      I never said the 190e was built to compete with the m3. Niether was built to directly compet with the other per say. But they were both homologation specials. Both were based on lesser entry level cars that were diret competitors. So people have compared the two several times, so have magazines.

      The 190e 2.3-16 stickered for 41K iirc and the M3 was 34K.

      The 190e 2.3-16 is still an awesome car and one of my favorites from the 80's. I have driven 3 of them and enjoyed driving them. the buid quality, fit/finish are levels above any E30. They are just as special as the E30 M3, despite not being as popular. They are more exclusive, as they are rarer.
      Let's finish the comparison:

      325i 0-60: 7.7 seconds, top speed 136mph
      190e 2.3-16: 0-60: ~7.7 seconds, top speed 141mph
      318i: 0-60: 11.4 seconds, top speed 106mph...
      M3: 0-60: 6.9 seconds, top speed 143mph (2865 lbs)

      It's clear which does not belong here.

      FWIW, my 100% stock 16v weighs in at 2920lbs with a half tank of fuel.

      Now make no mistake, I'm not arguing that this car is fast (hell, I bought it and then sold the S4), but let's not minimize its heritage, either - this was most certainly the predecessor to the M3, not the other way around. (it was never intended to "compete with the M3", which was probably not even a thought in BMW's mind when the 190e 16v began development in 1982 - for rally - only after the sudden complete dominance of awd was it repurposed for DTM.)
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      04-22-2011 12:18 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      190E + monoblocks = clunky

      190E + race wheels = sex

      190E + Compomotive or turbo wheels = sex + drugs + Rock n'roll.




      Those are OZ Racing Monte Carlos... or Compomotive TTD replicas of the OZs...
      except the bottom ones which are OZ Centerlock Montes

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