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    1. 03-09-2009 03:19 PM #101
      So with Pops Eury -15 wins (6 of those came in 04) with a highest pts finish of 3rd in 03. 4000+ laps lead under Pops.

      With Tony Jr - 2 wins, and not one season of more than 1000+ laps lead (3 season of 1000+ laps lead under Pops). Highest pts finish of 5th.
      1 win came under Steve Hmeil at Chicago in 05.

      Bring back Pops!



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      03-09-2009 04:06 PM #102
      Quote, originally posted by b2m_vw »
      1 win came under Steve Hmeil at Chicago in 05.

      Bring back Pops!


      Ok, I was wondering about the Chicago win. I only remember it, because Jr was driving a cool blue/red MLB car. Well......those numbers don't lie. I can only assume that Mr.Hendrick reads them also and Im willing to bet that the 5 and 88 teams get shook up before the season ends.

    3. 03-09-2009 04:12 PM #103
      You know what sad though is even in the N'wide races, Jr doesn't run up front anymore. There was a span at Daytona and Talladega around 02-04 where he would run up front all day in the N'wide. Now when races, he struggles for top 10's. I hope he is able to turn it around this year, because now that he is in the best equipment there is and JJ and JG are running up front, there are no more excuses for him. It's all on his shoulders now.
      Mark Martin has just suffered bad luck, 2 blown engines and a blown tire. Jr has just been bad, plain and simple.


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      03-09-2009 04:29 PM #104
      I know it's only been one season, but Im starting to also see that Jr ain't as good as people like to think. I knew he was no Tony Stewart, but damn Jr. The 5 car is out winning poles, Jimmie is leading laps and Jeff is leading the points. To be fair, I honestly believe that if the COT never came to life, Jr would have quite a few more wins, so would Jeff. (and alot of other guys too probably.)

    5. 03-09-2009 04:37 PM #105
      i think the jury is still out on jr's performance this season. he had a top 10 last week and finished 11th this week, overcoming a wheel that felt like it was about to come off. i think they are going the conservative route now, rack up the top 10s and advance in points. maybe in the later half they'll start experimenting for the chase. He probably won't get many wins, but i predict he'll be there when the chase comes.

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      03-09-2009 04:46 PM #106
      Oh, if he fails to make the chase, they might as well let him out of his contract. Thats what happened to BV and Mears.

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      03-09-2009 05:44 PM #107
      I agree. Jr needs to win and win NOW!! Yes his attitude needs to change and he needs to start earning the respect he believes he deserves. He just can't rely on name alone. He said so himself 2 weeks ago during the interview with DW. The younger guys do not respect him. Its a whole new generation of racers out there. He's starting to sound like Kyle Petty. As far as Tony Jr., again maybe he's not as good as everyone says he is. From my perception, Tony Jr lacks the attention to detail that Hendrick demands. They are making way too many rookie mistakes as a team. He needs to step up as the leader of that team. Maybe he needs to start cracking the whip a little harder. Maybe its to loosey goosey and he needs to tighten up a few screws here and there. I don't know. All I know is that they both have Jr's at the end of their names. Its time for them to start creating their own legacy.

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      03-10-2009 01:17 PM #108
      Quote, originally posted by gonzo08452 »
      I agree. Jr needs to win and win NOW!! Yes his attitude needs to change and he needs to start earning the respect he believes he deserves. He just can't rely on name alone. He said so himself 2 weeks ago during the interview with DW. The younger guys do not respect him. Its a whole new generation of racers out there. He's starting to sound like Kyle Petty. As far as Tony Jr., again maybe he's not as good as everyone says he is. From my perception, Tony Jr lacks the attention to detail that Hendrick demands. They are making way too many rookie mistakes as a team. He needs to step up as the leader of that team. Maybe he needs to start cracking the whip a little harder. Maybe its to loosey goosey and he needs to tighten up a few screws here and there. I don't know. All I know is that they both have Jr's at the end of their names. Its time for them to start creating their own legacy.

      well put.

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      03-10-2009 01:41 PM #109
      Quote, originally posted by gonzo08452 »
      I don't know. All I know is that they both have Jr's at the end of their names. Its time for them to start creating their own legacy.

      Lance McGrew or Darian Grubb should be on top of Jrs pit box.

    10. 03-10-2009 01:45 PM #110
      I've also come to realize that both Jr and Tony Jr have no clue when it comes to making their car better during the race. How many times over the past few years have we seen them run up front or top 5 through the first half of the race, then end up with a 15th place finish. Jr has a knack for the superspeedways, that's about it. His 05 Chicago win was on pit strategy, as was last years win. They struggle so much when it comes to adjusting a car mid-race.

    11. 03-10-2009 01:50 PM #111
      Quote, originally posted by SoCal_SFVR6 »
      Lance McGrew or Darian Grubb should be on top of Jrs pit box.

      I think Jr needs someone to put him in his place. Pops did that, acted more like a father. Tony Jr doesn't do that, Pete Rondeau couldn't handle Jr, Steve Hmeil I thought could, but didn't want to. If McGrew or Grubb has the canjones to tell Jr to shut the hell up and drive, they would be a pretty good combo.


      Modified by b2m_vw at 11:51 AM 3-10-2009

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      03-10-2009 01:52 PM #112
      Tony Sr still works for JR in the Nationwide series right?

    13. 03-10-2009 01:58 PM #113
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      Tony Sr still works for JR in the Nationwide series right?

      Yeah, he's Keselowski's crew chief.
      Jr needs someone on the box who will not take his crap. Just for comparison sake, a guy like Knuas is too technical for Jr. I think a guy like Zippy is the type Jr needs. Zippy would tell Stewart off during times, which would in turn fire up Smoke.

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      03-10-2009 02:06 PM #114
      Oh, yea Zippy and Jr could really work.

    15. 03-10-2009 02:09 PM #115
      Quote, originally posted by SoCal_SFVR6 »
      Oh, yea Zippy and Jr could really work.

      Do I sense Sarcasm

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      03-10-2009 02:24 PM #116
      Lol, you sense wrong! Remember all those years of Zippy and Tony at eachothers throats on the radio, I think your right, Jr needs that in his chief. Tony sr, has that fire, but apparently none of the talent, Zippy has both. Speaking of Zippy......Logano, will he even finish Bristol? Im betting NO.

    17. 03-10-2009 03:41 PM #117
      Ah, back from lunch
      If (BIG IF) Logano, finishes, he will be at least 20+ laps down and driving a car with no hood and no fenders.

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      03-10-2009 07:16 PM #118
      I feel bad for Zippy....His patience is really being put to the test. You can just tell during his interviews.

    19. 03-10-2009 11:15 PM #119
      SoCal, supposedly he's running this retro scheme at Talladega

      It's similar to what DW ran in 83


      Modified by b2m_vw at 9:17 PM 3-10-2009


      Modified by b2m_vw at 9:19 PM 3-10-2009

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      03-10-2009 11:37 PM #120
      /\WHOA.
      I always love Jeffs Pepsi cars. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG]

    21. 03-11-2009 10:08 AM #121
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      What the hell was that crew member thinking!? Wierd caution.

      Said crew member has been suspended 4 races and put on probation for the rest of the year long, crew chief was also put on probation for the rest of the year because of the incident.

    22. 03-11-2009 01:10 PM #122
      i wish nascar had thrown the caution the second they saw the tire rolling into the grass area. once it gets past pitroad, the caution should fly immediately. if the rule is set, and everyone knows, we wont have people chasing tires.

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      03-11-2009 01:10 PM #123
      Yeah, the guy just wasn't thinking right and made the wrong decision. You could tell immediately afterwards by his antics when talking with his crew chief he knew he effed up


      Modified by gonzo08452 at 10:12 AM 3-11-2009

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      03-15-2009 03:50 PM #124
      So they changed up the All-Star race again? Geez they need to just have the drivers run Lowe's counter-clockwise, for 80 laps and call it a night. [IMG]http://**********************/smile/emthup.gif[/IMG] How sweet and novel would that be?

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      03-16-2009 06:29 PM #125
      Man, this past Sunday felt like the off season.

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